So crazy question: Is there any way to know what Texas' SOS would be if they played a cupcake week 2 instead of Bama?
And now that we know Bama vs. Georgia is the SECCG, do those games factor into these SOS rankings?
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And now that we know Bama vs. Georgia is the SECCG, do those games factor into these SOS rankings?
According to the SOS on ESPN.....
62. FSU
63. Oregon
64. Arizona
65. Bowling Green (7-5)
66. Georgia
Bowling Green has had a tougher schedule than Georgia. Mainly because they played Liberty and Michigan early I'd guess.
62. FSU
63. Oregon
64. Arizona
65. Bowling Green (7-5)
66. Georgia
Bowling Green has had a tougher schedule than Georgia. Mainly because they played Liberty and Michigan early I'd guess.
Look, the last night's revealing of the playoff told me few things:
1. Teams in Top 8 are pretty much in Win out mode. Nobody is safe. This is from twitter, and I completely agree with how it'll shakes out in next two weeks.
3. There is no way Georgia will still make playoff and not win SEC championship.
4. Now, I've been saying for a while we will see upsets.... I think this weekend will be it.
1. Teams in Top 8 are pretty much in Win out mode. Nobody is safe. This is from twitter, and I completely agree with how it'll shakes out in next two weeks.
2. Bama needs to continue to do what they have been doing in the last two weeks or so... dominate, and keep getting better. Georgia game will determine how good we are.
3. There is no way Georgia will still make playoff and not win SEC championship.
4. Now, I've been saying for a while we will see upsets.... I think this weekend will be it.
Well the uncomfortable truth that many here don’t want to accept is that Texas is the reason we are in the 20’s and not the 50’s with Oregon. Swap Texas with any of Georgia’s OOC slate and people here would be saying there is a conspiracy against the SEC by computers.
I agree with that, it should be a tie breaker (I'd favor it over some other ones like conference champions).
I don't think it should be used to move a two loss team ahead of an undefeated team for instance, but if you are comparing two one loss teams then why wouldn't it be a major consideration? What is precisely the argument for Oregon? It basically boils down to they looked better, but if the sentiment is Alabama is actually better than their higher ranking is based on nothing of substance whatsoever.
That single game isn't that impactful. Alabama has played a more difficult schedule overall aside from that. Just look at the opponents, it's most assuredly not all Texas.
For example, Sagarin says Alabama has played two more top 30 opponents. Oregon is 3-1 against the top 30, if Alabama didn't play Texas then they would be 4-0 against the top 30, clearly well ahead of Oregon (and undefeated).
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It’s far more impactful than you want to believe. Georgia is still in 60’s after playing two of our best wins (Tennessee and Ole Miss) and FSU is right there with Georgia after playing our best win (LSU). There is not any logical conclusion other than Texas is making our SOS argument while the SEC is producing a weak SOS.
My issue is that everyone wants to throw out these rankings about Oregon and FSU but don’t want to do the same about Michigan and Georgia who are both worse than Oregon in SOS. This is becoming less about SOS and more about living off past perceptions of the SEC.
A little?
It's the aspect of his show I hate - I couldn't care less about gambling, and in fact think there's no real benefit to it with lot of potential pitfalls for many. Now that a gambling site is a partial sponsor, I find myself skipping more of the show than ever.
Could set us up for a monster 2024 season also with our returning players Mad as hornets for getting left out.
Both Georgia and Alabama's SOS suffers from not having to play Georgia and Alabama. Everyone else in the SEC gets a boost from us. Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Auburn being putrid sure isn't helping us in the West, nor are MTSU or Chattanooga as OOC. Having Texas is huge, but it also really bad to have the loss.
I like Pate. But as his audience grows, so does his arrogance. I listen to the On3 guys. But Chip’s voice is annoying. And Danny Kanell is a complete and total idiot. And they all know that. And I do believe they have him on to be the resident idiot
I like Bud and Tom.
But back to Pate. I’m almost at an “anti-academy” place. Just because.
And my final gripe. All of these Talking Heads want to have it both ways. They will tell you that SOS matters, until you start comparing losses, and then they want to talk about something else.
It’s obvious that the committee only values, how many losses you have over anything else. So who you’ve won against, and how many games you’ve won doesn’t matter. The only number that matters is the one in the loss column.
So, if we ever schedule an above average out of conference opponent again, we’re stupid
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Well, those high quality home-and-homes are good, and people want them.
If the playoffs expand, the impact will be lessened.
If we start scheduling another cupcake or two instead of a BIG game it might give a few more folks in Alabama a chance to go to a game.
I took my family (6 of us) to see Vandy last year and it cost us $450. Not too bad of a deal except I remember going to games as a kid when the face value on the tickets said $15 for a conference game.
Yes, it also seems to say that a three loss LSU is quite a bit better than an undefeated FSU who beat the crap out of them on the field. As I said, that's nuts and seems worthless.
It's literally how power ratings work. It makes total sense.
Calling it worthless simply shows you don't fully grasp what's it's saying. It's simply saying that this model (and I'd expect the Vegas number to be similar) would favor LSU over FSU on a neutral field tomorrow - regardless as to what the teams have already done. This is because LSU has a higher talent level, and more often than not, the more talented team wins.
Oh, I get it. It is simply another tool that people who like to speculate use to contradict facts like on field results. Thanks for the condescending comments, though.
A result is a fact, the notion that for instance that result would be repeatable is not. So on field results matter, but they are not the only thing to consider, especially when ranking teams with the same number of wins.
For instance, you tell me, why is Oregon ranked ahead of Alabama? They both have one loss, the on field results produced the same record, but Oregon is ahead of Alabama. I would argue that's wrong, but one team has to be ranked ahead of the other and how that is decided is worth considering.
Remember when LSU beat Alabama and then Alabama beat them for the national title? Or, when Alabama beat Georgia and then Georgia beat them for the title? On field results never tell the entire story, so one needs to always take a more in depth look at things.
Yet an overwhelming number of people will argue that 2021 the difference was injuries and argue 2011 was a bad game.
But again you can’t argue with the end result in mind when it’s the decision after week 14 is the only thing that really matters. The results afterwards should not factor into it.
It wasn't condescnding - I assumed, based on your comments (and considering your quote above, I believe I assumed correctly) that you aren't getting why it's a valuable measure.
No biggie. *shrugs*
Sorry, I did take it that way, but I assure you that I am just enjoying the discussion. I have to say that I think on field results are much more important than a ranking that puts a three loss LSU team at number seven, so those power rankings are worthless to me. You can use them all you want, but I would say they actually weaken your argument because they only seem to be about speculation. Now, I do think we would beat Texas if we played again, but my opinion on that matter is not more important than the fact that they did beat us on the field. If we are able to beat Georgia, for instance, I certainly hope the committee doesn't use your power ranking and put UGA in based on the potential of their great talent even though we would have just beaten them.
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