This is the first time the BCS formula differed from the CFP final four...

[2003TIDE]

I don't get how they know that. Some of the computer polls used in the original BCS poll don't even exist anymore. I guess it is good for discussion though.

End of they day Alabama had the better win, better loss, better SOS, more top 25 games played, more top 25 wins than Texas did. So not surprising we were ranked higher.

 

[crimsonaudio]

End of they day Alabama had the better win, better loss, better SOS, more top 25 games played, more top 25 wins than Texas did. So not surprising we were ranked higher.

Did you mean FSU here?

 

[2003TIDE]

Did you mean FSU here?

No I meant Texas. Alabama v Texas. Minus the head to head, Alabama's resume was better in every aspect. Alabama v FSU isn't even a conversation IMO.

So I'm not surprised BCS would have put Bama ahead of Texas and FSU.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Just wait until Alabama avoids the SEC championship game by finishing third AND gets a first-round home playoff game.

You think folks are mad NOW......

 

[Go Bama]

A little off topic, but has any team ever faced two number one ranked, undefeated teams in a row at the end of the season? Did they win both games?

 

[bamamc1]

As if we don`t already know, but just goes to illustrate the continuing value of a win over Alabama.
I`m not certain, but it didn`t look like any Bama fans " rushed the field " after the game Saturday. That`s after beating a two in a row national champion, 29 game win streak, " best team/program ever? " UGA. AND winning the SEC Championship, to boot! If that`s accurate, that just tickles the hell out of me. " Act like you`ve been there before."- Coach Bryant.

^^^^^^POST OF THE MONTH^^^^^^

 

[crimsonaudio]

No I meant Texas. Alabama v Texas. Minus the head to head, Alabama's resume was better in every aspect. Alabama v FSU isn't even a conversation IMO.

So I'm not surprised BCS would have put Bama ahead of Texas and FSU.

Ahh, I get it now, thank you for the clarification.

 

[RWBTide]

Below is the final pure computer poll with no input from human voters which actually is closer to being correct. While I don't agree with 100% of its picks it does correctly have both Bama and Texas above FSU. The BCS includes the human polls so either the humans didn't fully factor in the injury or human polls were giving FSU some kind of sympathy vote. Fortunately the committee put those emotions aside and made the right decision.

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Being an outsider looking in and genuinely unsure.

How could Georgia drop to 7th purely on the basis of a 3pt loss to the team placed 3rd overall.

And if I'm understanding it properly, Ohio State gain an advantage by not playing an extra game because they didn't make it to their conference final?

 

[B1GTide]

Being an outsider looking in and genuinely unsure.

How could Georgia drop to 7th purely on the basis of a 3pt loss to the team placed 3rd overall.

And if I'm understanding it properly, Ohio State gain an advantage by not playing an extra game because they didn't make it to their conference final?

My guess - they rewarded FSU for their undefeated season by placing them 5th. Georgia is 6th and OSU 7th, as appropriate

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Being an outsider looking in and genuinely unsure.

How could Georgia drop to 7th purely on the basis of a 3pt loss to the team placed 3rd overall.

And if I'm understanding it properly, Ohio State gain an advantage by not playing an extra game because they didn't make it to their conference final?

Nice to see you!

Before I go into any kind of exposition, are you saying you don't understand the polling or how they made the decision or what precisely?

The polls are a transparent fiction on everyone. Seriously - it really doesn't matter in terms of the national championship whether Georgia was ranked 5th, 6th, or 25th or not at all. It does matter in terms of which bowl game they're going to play.

This is one of the quirks of our system: a team MIGHT gain an advantage by LOSING a game IF - key point here - OTHER TEAMS also lose their games. Winning your game that may require another one puts you in control; losing means you lose control, but you may benefit if circumstances break your way.

This has been a sticking point even before the CFP committee. In 2012, Alabama beat Georgia in the SEC championship game by four points. During the regular season, Georgia beat Florida head-to-head and won the division and right to play the extra game. When they LOST, Florida (who only lost to Georgia) moved ahead of Georgia in the rankings because the better team lost the extra game. Georgia, yes, got punished for playing an extra game.

If you're thinking, "Man, you Americans do some stupid things," you are 100% right.
And that's one of them.

It's a bit different with the actual playoff but yes.

 

[CoolBreeze]

...but it's not what you think...

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It is the froghorn effect and it is coming to a conference near you next year (SEC). It is what happens when the human emotion intervenes with common sense. But it is what it is. Go Huskies!

 

[PA Tide Fan]

Being an outsider looking in and genuinely unsure.

How could Georgia drop to 7th purely on the basis of a 3pt loss to the team placed 3rd overall.

And if I'm understanding it properly, Ohio State gain an advantage by not playing an extra game because they didn't make it to their conference final?

That was purely a computer ranking so my guess would be the computers felt since Georgia was #1 and lost to #8 (at the time) it penalized them severely. Ohio State's SOS was better than Georgia so I guess the computers were more impressed with Ohio State's win over Penn State than Georgia's win over Ole Miss. I'm totally puzzled though how the computers could put FSU above Georgia because Georgia had a better SOS than FSU did.

 

[RWBTide]

My guess - they rewarded FSU for their undefeated season by placing them 5th. Georgia is 6th and OSU 7th, as appropriate

I get the humans making those choices, but the computer rankings I was questioning surely wouldn't factor that in?

 

[RWBTide]

Nice to see you!

Before I go into any kind of exposition, are you saying you don't understand the polling or how they made the decision or what precisely?

The polls are a transparent fiction on everyone. Seriously - it really doesn't matter in terms of the national championship whether Georgia was ranked 5th, 6th, or 25th or not at all. It does matter in terms of which bowl game they're going to play.

This is one of the quirks of our system: a team MIGHT gain an advantage by LOSING a game IF - key point here - OTHER TEAMS also lose their games. Winning your game that may require another one puts you in control; losing means you lose control, but you may benefit if circumstances break your way.

This has been a sticking point even before the CFP committee. In 2012, Alabama beat Georgia in the SEC championship game by four points. During the regular season, Georgia beat Florida head-to-head and won the division and right to play the extra game. When they LOST, Florida (who only lost to Georgia) moved ahead of Georgia in the rankings because the better team lost the extra game. Georgia, yes, got punished for playing an extra game.

If you're thinking, "Man, you Americans do some stupid things," you are 100% right.
And that's one of them.

It's a bit different with the actual playoff but yes.

Hey Selma, good to see you Sir.

I was assuming in the computer results posted, prior to conference finals Georgia would have been ranked above say the Buckeyes.

Georgia played against Bama and Lost, the Buckeyes didn't play but managed to jumped Georgia, even though both only have one loss.

That just doesn't seem logical to me. It seems like illogical coding (if that's not a misnomer).

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Hey Selma, good to see you Sir.

I was assuming in the computer results posted, prior to conference finals Georgia would have been ranked above say the Buckeyes.

Georgia played against Bama and Lost, the Buckeyes didn't play but managed to jumped Georgia, even though both only have one loss.

That just doesn't seem logical to me. It seems like illogical coding (if that's not a misnomer).

Oh, NOW I understand.

You're correct.

Ohio State BENEFITED from the fact Georgia:
1) had to play a top 10 opponent and
2) lost

That's exactly what happened.

 

[UAinAthens]

The problem with any of these systems is they try but just can't account for who you lost to. There are just too many variables for SW to handle it well. For example, in 2011, Ark lost badly twice (LSU and Bama). They beat everyone else pretty solidly. A knowledgeable person could make a reasonable argument when seeing them that they were the 3rd best team that year. Those two teams were light years ahead of everyone else, but now you have 2 losses, regardless of the records of the teams that beat you.
The next year, at the end of the year there were 6 SEC teams with 2 losses, all to each other, in addition to 1 loss Bama. Again, you could argue that those 6 were 2-7 in any particular order. (several took their bowl games off, but I always argue you cannot always count bowls because if they are not playoff the level of care can often vary drastically).
A computer system can account for the variables its told to consider, and we are all aware how many competing things make up this, and I'm not sure I could even make a complete list of everything that should be considered, much less figure out how to weight it in a way a computer come to a good answer, and I've worked in the industry for almost 30 years.
What this showed is that even at a top level, it was pretty obvious that FSU was iffy in belonging in the playoff, even without considering injury.
IMHO, it was very apparent that including them, regardless of deserving, was just going to provide another TCU situation all over again.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

A little off topic, but has any team ever faced two number one ranked, undefeated teams in a row at the end of the season? Did they win both games?

Florida did it in 2008, beating us and then Oklahoma (who was #1).

Note: OU had a loss to Texas that year, though. Oops....

 

[Snuffy Smith]

You know FSU and all the whiners can complain all they want - BUT

THE DECISION HAD ZERO TO DO WITH ALABAMA AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH FSU.

They are totally overlooking the fact that they put a 1 loss Texas team ahead of FSU as well.

If UGA had won the SEC CG the final four would have been

UGA
Meeechigun
Washington
Texas

And oh, BTW, like the OP said - BCS formula had us ahead of FSU as well.

Everyone just needs to deal with it and move on....

 

[crimsonaudio]

Everyone just needs to get over it and move on....

Haha, Free Shoes Uni fans are going to be salty about his for decades. Not even joking.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Haha, Free Shoes Uni fans are going to be salty about his for decades. Not even joking.

if they somehow beat uga, they will never shut up about it. Will probably throw a parade and hang a banner.