Alabama QBs in 2024

[colbysullivan]

Agreed, but this year you will have some defensive challenges so you need to score - a lot. Alabama will not be able to win in 2024 the way that you did last season.

That's a good point. I guess I'm not really worried about the offense as long as CKD really can "win anywhere", but we won't know for sure until it happens. I don't love the fact that we lost Grubb.

 

[BamaMoon]

I have a feeling the defense won't take a huge leap back. Maybe just as solid!

For such an elite defense mind/philosophy CNS's defenses rendered huge blown coverages almost every game (sometimes multiple times).

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I have a feeling the defense won't take a huge leap back. Maybe just as solid!

For such an elite defense mind/philosophy CNS's defenses rendered huge blown coverages almost every game (sometimes multiple times).

It would be truly shocking if we didn't take a noticeable step back on defense. I just don't see any way we replace Kool-Aid, Arnold, Braswell and Turner that easily.

 

[BamaMoon]

It would be truly shocking if we didn't take a noticeable step back on defense. I just don't see any way we replace Kool-Aid, Arnold, Braswell and Turner that easily.

I was referring to scheme change that I think will speed up the development of younger talent and help them be more aggressive and have fewer missed assignments.

How many times did we see a wide open guy in the secondary that Koolaid or Arnold (or somebody in the secondary) lost in coverage OR how many times did a running back catch a pass for a big gain on a wheel route out of the backfield when those linebackers missed that assignment?

 

[gtgilbert]

It would be truly shocking if we didn't take a noticeable step back on defense. I just don't see any way we replace Kool-Aid, Arnold, Braswell and Turner that easily.

Agreed - plus a very productive justin Eboigbe then also Downs and Key.

 

[gtgilbert]

I was referring to scheme change that I think will speed up the development of younger talent and help them be more aggressive and have fewer missed assignments.

How many times did we see a wide open guy in the secondary that Koolaid or Arnold (or somebody in the secondary) lost in coverage OR how many times did a running back catch a pass for a big gain on a wheel route out of the backfield when those linebackers missed that assignment?

I get it, and think your scenario is likely, but HTTR is also right that we're losing a LOT of first round talent, and we don't really have guys in the wings who are at the same level. Edge in place of Turner is a HUGE ?. The CB spot seem to have talent, but very thin and even in a less complex scheme there will be growing pains.

 

[JohnD]

Well what do you expect? We didn’t pick the best QB last year either….

Our faith in college football is waning, we don’t want our faith in the coaching staff to go away too.

The "We" you are referring to is no longer here. There are a lot of unknowns, and not enough clues to go on so far.

 

[Ledsteplin]

I think it was a flaw in Sabans practice routine wrt the QB's because if a real game is so different than practice that the coaches don't see the glaringly obvious flaws of some of our QB's, then they're not practicing right. I know it's impossible to replicate game environments in practice, but you have to make constant efforts to get close. Buchner was horribly unprepared and if that couldn't be seen in practice then shame on the staff.

In Buchner's case, the coaches may have, at least partly, been relying on his film from Notre Dame.

 

[davefrat]

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Sorry, I'm just not buying that. The eye test in REAL games should show you Ty is a better QB than Milroe. Does Milroe do some things better than Ty? Sure, but Ty is the prototypical Bama QB. If people want to use the "game manager" moniker, then fine, but that type of QB is the ONLY one that has won championships at Bama, except for 2nd and 26, which is of course the exception that proves the rule.

AJ was more than a game manager.

 

[colbysullivan]

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AJ was more than a game manager.

Hence the quotes

 

[JDCrimson]

So I don't know what all happened in the practices as I didn't attend any of them. But what appears apparent to me is...

- Ty had a really poor strategy for winning the job. He should have known that he could not have matched Jalen's athletic ability. The percentage of throws that are over 40yds are very few. Trying to match Jalen's execution on long throws was fool's errand especially if the WR isn't running hard for you.
- I suspect what we saw in the USF game was happening in practices as well. Meaning the WRs weren't balling for anyone other than Jalen.
- It's seems in the early practices a bunch of take the top off the defense plays were executed by Jalen and the WRs to set the tone and narrative for the QB competition. Ty may have panicked on this outcome which took him out of his game. Later scrimmages where Jalen struggled were minimized to a degree because he would bail himself out with a long throw.
- It's pretty obvious that Jalen campaigned the players and played the lockerroom politics for the job better than Ty did.

Essentially, I think Ty was hustled outfoxed out of the starting position and ultimately Saban was hustled too because he was left with no choice but to let a click of players choose their starting QB or lose a bunch of games in his swan song season. And don't think the players weren't hearing the same rumors of Saban's impending retirement.

For some of older folks, we remember reading about Pat Trammell threw a knife in the table in front of the other QBs...

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

- It's pretty obvious that Jalen campaigned the players and played the lockerroom politics for the job better than Ty did.

Come on man. Even if you believe that the players forced Milroe, which I do not, don't we think this is too big of a jump.

Now it's not that the players like Milroe but Milroe played the locker room politics? Maybe he's just a good teammate?

This is what I'm talking about when I say creating a narrative to fit a conclusion.

 

[Cruloc]

Come on man. Even if you believe that the players forced Milroe, which I do not, don't we think this is too big of a jump.

Now it's not that the players like Milroe but Milroe played the locker room politics? Maybe he's just a good teammate?

This is what I'm talking about when I say creating a narrative to fit a conclusion.

"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Live long and prosper.

 

[JDCrimson]

Nobody said the players didnt like Milroe. In fact, the players liking Milroe may have inclined them to support him moreso. In most walks of work and life, those who aspire leadership work the influencers to gather the support for their promotion.

Milroe is determined to be the starting QB despite what limitations he may have at the position.

Is he the first to arrive and the last one to leave? Check.

Is he the most physically gifted of the QBs? Check.

Has he endeared himself to the coaches and the players? Check.

Is he taking advantage of media exposure? Check.

We can say what we want about Milroe's play on the field. But he doing all the right things off the field to give him the best odds to win the job.

I have seen no evidence where Ty had a similar plan or approach.

Come on man. Even if you believe that the players forced Milroe, which I do not, don't we think this is too big of a jump.

Now it's not that the players like Milroe but Milroe played the locker room politics? Maybe he's just a good teammate?

This is what I'm talking about when I say creating a narrative to fit a conclusion.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

My response was to practice. Milroe has had some truly horrible scrimmages the past 2 years, but it hasn’t been like Ty has been turning heads at them either. Really I have just as many questions about Ty as I do about Milroe… if not more. His defenders are willing to make just as big leaps in logic about him as the Milroe defenders. I mean how they tell it we have the next Aaron Rodgers on the bench behind the next Denard Robinson. Seriously the Milroe and Ty crowds sound like the old baseball scouts who talk about how good a pop of the bat sounds in the ballpark and how they should pass on a guy because he has an ugly girlfriend.

This is extremely hyperbolic.

Only speaking for myself I’ve never said anything close to comparing Ty to a HOF caliber QB nor have I said Jalen was that bad.

My main point on Ty is that he’s extremely talented and from what we’ve seen he has the physical tools to be a Solid to Good QB in the SEC that can make every type of throw at every level and not have to have a scaled back playbook.

He’s also the most elusive QB we have. He has Manziel/Bryce type of escapability. He’s not as fast in a straight line as Jalen but he’s still really fast for a QB.

I’ve also said that he needs to make his reads faster and make quicker decisions.

He needs to work on eliminating happy feet in the pocket.

He also needs to play within himself and be PG who distributes the ball instead of trying to impress with a Big splash throw.

None of that screams comparison to a HOF NFL QB.

Ty has weaknesses to work on just like everyone on the team.

But he has the tools imo to be a Dual Threat version of AJ at least.

Jalen has strengths and weaknesses too and I’m not going to rehash it again. He’s not Denard bad though and I’ve never said that.

Some have been way more harsh with their criticisms sure.

But generally people on both ends of the argument haven’t taken it as far as you are suggesting.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

*Double Post*

 

[81usaf92]

This is extremely hyperbolic.

Only speaking for myself I’ve never said anything close to comparing Ty to a HOF caliber QB nor have I said Jalen was that bad.

My main point on Ty is that he’s extremely talented and from what we’ve seen he has the physical tools to be a Solid to Good QB in the SEC that can make every type of throw at every level and not have to have a scaled back playbook.

He’s also the most elusive QB we have. He has Manziel/Bryce type of escapability. He’s not as fast in a straight line as Jalen but he’s still really fast for a QB.

I’ve also said that he needs to make his reads faster and make quicker decisions.

He needs to work on eliminating happy feet in the pocket.

He also needs to play within himself and be PG who distributes the ball instead of trying to impress with a Big splash throw.

None of that screams comparison to a HOF NFL QB.

Ty has weaknesses to work on just like everyone on the team.

But he has the tools imo to be a Dual Threat version of AJ at least.

Jalen has strengths and weaknesses too and I’m not going to rehash it again. He’s not Denard bad though and I’ve never said that.

Some have been way more harsh with their criticisms sure.

But generally people on both ends of the argument haven’t taken it as far as you are suggesting.

No I believe it is for the most part accurate in how much of the Milroe and Simpson fandoms act. There are literally posters on this very thread suggesting that they have seen enough from half of a USF game and a cupcake game to know that he is clearly better than Milroe. While similarly dismissing Ty’s practices.

 

[CrimSonami]

Don't lose sight of Lonergan. As of Jan-26 (excerpts from article below) he's concentrating solely on football. He was the most composed at A-Day last year and I'd expect he's added good weight and has built confidence in himself and getting comfortable with the new FB coaching staff. Have ZERO inside information about this but I think he'll be pushing the veterans by fall practice.

"There's been a lot of changes over the last few weeks [in the football program]," Vaughn said. "It's been very well documented what those changes are. Dylan, right now, I think is going to focus on what he's got going at football. He's extremely talented."

"We would love to have him a part of what we're doing, no doubt. I think he's a talented kid, but as of right now, he's gonna focus on what's in front of him. That's a testament to who he is and what he's really earned over the last six, seven months over at that football field." Lonergan is not expected to be around "a ton," but would be welcomed by Vaughn anytime.

 

[81usaf92]

I think it was a flaw in Sabans practice routine wrt the QB's because if a real game is so different than practice that the coaches don't see the glaringly obvious flaws of some of our QB's, then they're not practicing right. I know it's impossible to replicate game environments in practice, but you have to make constant efforts to get close. Buchner was horribly unprepared and if that couldn't be seen in practice then shame on the staff.

The problem was that Saban and Reese basically gave up on both Ty and Milroe after the spring and their plan C wasn’t well received.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Nobody said the players didnt like Milroe. In fact, the players liking Milroe may have inclined them to support him moreso. In most walks of work and life, those who aspire leadership work the influencers to gather the support for their promotion.

Milroe is determined to be the starting QB despite what limitations he may have at the position.

Is he the first to arrive and the last one to leave? Check.

Is he the most physically gifted of the QBs? Check.

Has he endeared himself to the coaches and the players? Check.

Is he taking advantage of media exposure? Check.

We can say what we want about Milroe's play on the field. But he doing all the right things off the field to give him the best odds to win the job.

I have seen no evidence where Ty had a similar plan or approach.

I think Milroe working hard to improve and be a good teammate is not the same as Milroe "working the influencers to gather support for a promotion."

That framing makes it seem like Milroe is somehow doing something wrong by being a good teammate and a hard worker, which in reality is what we should want every player on the team to do.