Aaron Murry on Milroe (USF) (video)

[tusks_n_raider]

We have an All-American interior OL. Get Proctor and Pritchett back.....get consistent with running.....open up some play action maybe and some running holes for Milroe.

He's not going to hit the crossers and slants, he just isn't....not on a consistent enough basis anyway. He's not going to hit the guys in stride for them to get any YAC either.

But....what do I know.....nothing at all really.

No you are right 1000% right.

We might as well just start viewing those as dummy/decoy routes and cardio for the WRs/TEs

 

[UAH]

Wisconsin better not be taken lightly. Just saying...

I may be considered negative on the team but I do believe that there is some outstanding talent on Defense that will keep this team in most games absent running into a red hot QB that hits everything he puts up.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I may be considered negative on the team but I do believe that there is some outstanding talent on Defense that will keep this team in most games absent running into a red hot QB that hits everything he puts up.

I agree!

 

[colbysullivan]

I may be considered negative on the team but I do believe that there is some outstanding talent on Defense that will keep this team in most games absent running into a red hot QB that hits everything he puts up.

That's where I'm at right now.

 

[CoolBreeze]

That's where I'm at right now.

I think most of us are there right now.

 

[Cruloc]

That's where I'm at right now.

I think we've got a shot vs anyone with our D.....our full strength OL of Proctor-Booker-Brailsford-Roberts-Pritchett......our RB's are special.

Our QB is a super athletic kid.

We've got a lot of talent at the WR spot.

We've got very good special teams with our Punter and Kicker.

We have the ingredients....we certainly do.

 

[gtgilbert]

We are a spoiled bunch from the point of view that Bama has had an incredible run of absolutely elite-level QB play. Starting with AJ, and really even GMac in 2010, Bama has had well above competent QB play. Guys like Coker and Blake Sims who we think of as second-tier guys for us were both good college QB's. Then we had AJ, Tua, Mac, and Bryce who were all All-American/Heisman level guys. Hurts struggled some, but when he was benched worked his butt off and when he came in to play he was excellent, and he saved the SECCG game when Tua got hurt. Jalen was incredible in that comeback.

I say all that to remind us all that sometimes a guy doesn't completely pan out to our expectations, and that is made even harder to deal with when you compare it to what we have seen here since 2010 at the QB spot. Jalen is more in line with most college QB's when comes to his processing speed and mechanics than we have become accustomed to seeing in a crimson jersey. He's not bad he's just not, and probably never will be, at the level of our past top tier guys. The staff has to figure out how to call a game he can execute more efficiently. I don't envy them, but I'm always pulling for whoever plays for Bama.

I have a different opinion on that. I'd say JM is way, way, way below the average P5 QB in this aspect. I don't really recall any QB at bama, going back as far as Hollingsworth, who started an entire season (this leaves out the Blake Barnett, Brandon Avalos guys) who could not call an audible, or adjust OL protections or get to at least his first read on time. The only ones that come to mind is maybe Phillips, but he was benched for Zow mid-way through that season or maybe Burdorf/Kitchens the year they split reps and starting roles it seemed like every other game, but Kitchens definitely grew past that.

That's why I've said time and time again that Hurts as a true freshman was miles ahead of where JM is now. Hurts could actually, even in his first start as a true freshmen, ID a defense, read a couple of keys pre-snap, get into and through his first read or two, and make a give/keep decision and hot route run/pass decision and JM still can't do that well at all. many other QBs don't have all the other traits (mechanics, release speed, arm strength, Touch, velocity, etc) needed to be top level QBs like we've had recently, but can make the calls and know what to read a vast majority of the time as well as making an initial read or 2. Not saying they got it right every single rep but they at least went through the process and got the read order right on a vast majority of the reps.

 

[colbysullivan]

I have a different opinion on that.

The text that you put in bold is laughable. Milroe was literally the worst QB in the nation in the "snap to throw" metric.

 

[gtgilbert]

That's what I was trying to explain earlier.

JM does not trust his WRs/TEs

I don't know if he's scared to throw an INT because of the Texas game or what.

But he won't rip the ball until the target is already open and even then it's route dependent.

He does not like Crossing routes I know. We've had guys open on those 2 weeks in a row and he won't throw it.

Timing gets thrown off badly on everything because of the waiting.... plus his happy feet is disrupting his mechanics.

The foot work is atrocious at times and he throws w/ Arm strength alone and passes sail.

At this point I don't see how any of it gets fixed.

From week to week we'll just have to hope there are more feast than famine because the opposing defense had a few coverage busts that were bad enough for a WR to clearly be open on one of the 1st or 2nd reads or that the field opens up in the middle for a straight line sprint.

It certainly could be that he doesn't trust them, but even when I watch him in practice, throwing against air, he doesn't throw to where they should be when he should. He's simply late on things. From time he catches the ball to releasing it is almost always behind schedule, even when he's not having to make a read. While we know he's super fast when he runs, candidly he's just slow in all his movements leading up to making a throw - even with no reads he has to process or defenses to read or anything like that - just a throw to a spot - and it's not on time.

Couple that with all the bad mechanics and it just doesn't work.

 

[mlh]

I'm starting to worry that Grubb was a more important component to this "DeBoer" offense then we thought because so far, this looks nothing like what we saw from Washington last year.

True. But what we saw from Washington last year was DeBoer's 2nd year at UW. He had a QB who had a firm grasp of what was expected. The WRs knew how to adjust their routes to get separation. The OL knew the blocking assignments and were athletic enough to make it all work.

All that to say, I expect our offense to look significantly different next year than what we've seen in only 2 games this year.

 

[CoolBreeze]

It certainly could be that he doesn't trust them, but even when I watch him in practice, throwing against air, he doesn't throw to where they should be when he should. He's simply late on things. From time he catches the ball to releasing it is almost always behind schedule, even when he's not having to make a read. While we know he's super fast when he runs, candidly he's just slow in all his movements leading up to making a throw - even with no reads he has to process or defenses to read or anything like that - just a throw to a spot - and it's not on time.

Couple that with all the bad mechanics and it just doesn't work.

Yet, we almost beat meatchicken in the simis last year, go figure.

 

[colbysullivan]

I'm starting to worry that Grubb was a more important component to this "DeBoer" offense then we thought because so far, this looks nothing like what we saw from Washington last year. Or scarier, they don't think Milore can run Deboer's offense but are sticking with him anyway.

It's interesting to think about how we would look if Penix were our QB.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

The text that you put in bold is laughable. Milroe was literally the worst QB in the nation in the "snap to throw" metric.

Yeah it was 3.45 secs.... Dead Last in FBS

Penix at Wash was 2.68 secs.... almost a full sec quicker

The NFL range in 2023 was 2.36 to 3.23 secs

Those numbers are from PFF.

 

[gtgilbert]

Yet, we almost beat meatchicken in the simis last year, go figure.

yep - somehow the talent on the rest of the team was able to keep us in the game despite only getting 116 yards in the passing game.

 

[CoolBreeze]

It's interesting to think about how we would look if Penix were our QB.

More interesting to think how we would look with Simpson as our QB. But, of course, we've had a fascination with second string QBs around here for a long time.

 

[CoolBreeze]

yep - somehow the talent on the rest of the team was able to keep us in the game despite only getting 116 yards in the passing game.

And masking the crap out of our worst liability from an execution standpoint.

 

[colbysullivan]

More interesting to think how we would look with Simpson as our QB. But, of course, we've had a fascination with second string QBs around here for a long time.

LOL true, but that's not gonna happen either.

 

[gtgilbert]

The text that you put in bold is laughable. Milroe was literally the worst QB in the nation in the "snap to throw" metric.

I was trying to be nice... Reality is that he's bottom 10% (or worse).

 

[colbysullivan]

Yeah it was 3.45 secs.... Dead Last in FBS

Penix at Wash was 2.68 secs.... almost a full sec quicker

The NFL range in 2023 was 2.36 to 3.23 secs

Those numbers are from PFF.

I mention this all the time. There is real evidence that Milroe does not process information fast enough, but people still don't acknowledge it.

 

[CoolBreeze]

Since Nick is on the sideline I guess we can engage in hypotheticals. Had Lane Kiffin been named the head coach at Alabama, do you think he would be starting Milroe right now?