Pate reacts to Bad Officiating (video)

[NoNC4Tubs]

I didn't think any of the examples he brought up in his video constitute targeting or roughing the passer. There is nothing malicious or with intent to hurt that is showing up in those examples.

Whether the connection to the NFL is there or not (certainly possible), the NFL isn't the barometer that some of its defenders consider it to be. While you could scrutinize every snap and find a penalty every single time, the NFL seemingly allows the Chiefs to get away with a lot more, especially wrapping bear hugs around DEs - which I thought would be considered holding.

That was the point, yet they were called as such.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

The second half of that segment is spot on!!

As a HC, if the ref was horrible in the game that he just cost you, call him out. A $5k or $10k fine is a drop in the bucket for what you get paid.

then the vindictive refs call that coach for the a penalty that they didn't even commit. Remember the lineman downfield that we got called for after coach Saban pointed out the refs missed several in one of our games? Even Gary said the call was bogus.

 

[FF4bama]

then the vindictive refs call that coach for the a penalty that they didn't even commit. Remember the lineman downfield that we got called for after coach Saban pointed out the refs missed several in one of our games? Even Gary said the call was bogus.

I always thought that the lack of holding calls against our defense that went on for years started out as an unspoken statement to CNS about what would happen if he kept calling out officials.

 

[colbysullivan]

I always thought that the lack of holding calls against our defense that went on for years started out as an unspoken statement to CNS about what would happen if he kept calling out officials.

It was the only way to keep the opponents in the game. Make no mistake, this is still the entertainment business, and Bama constantly blowing out its opponents isn’t good for them.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

then the vindictive refs call that coach for the a penalty that they didn't even commit. Remember the lineman downfield that we got called for after coach Saban pointed out the refs missed several in one of our games? Even Gary said the call was bogus.

I get that, but at some point the extra scrutiny would take care of that...

This would only be effective if several HCs did that. The more that did that would increase that scrutiny.

 

[FF4bama]

I wonder if CNS would weigh in on this now that he's a member of the media with no real dog in the fight.

 

[gtgilbert]

I always thought that the lack of holding calls against our defense that went on for years started out as an unspoken statement to CNS about what would happen if he kept calling out officials.

case in point. Will Anderson, one of the best pass rushers in the history of college football, drew almost NO holding calls his last season in college - I think it was literally 1 flag thrown. Watching the film tells a very, very different story.

 

[CrimsonTheory]

Bad referees in CFB is nothing new. Umpires/referees in generally, regardless of sport, have been terrible but none of these leagues care enough to do anything about it.

 

[CajunCrimson]

LSU and UGA won last week directly because of bad officiating

but USF was the recipient of several invisible holding calls. And that was before Tua’s injury.

 

[BamaMoon]

case in point. Will Anderson, one of the best pass rushers in the history of college football, drew almost NO holding calls his last season in college - I think it was literally 1 flag thrown. Watching the film tells a very, very different story.

Maybe that explains the anxiety they had that year. Play your best but you know it's not good enough cause refs don't call it fair.

Almost put that in blue, because it's spoken in jest, but it certainly didn't help this was happening to WA!

 

[colbysullivan]

case in point. Will Anderson, one of the best pass rushers in the history of college football, drew almost NO holding calls his last season in college - I think it was literally 1 flag thrown. Watching the film tells a very, very different story.

There is not a single OL in college football that can block Will Anderson, Chris Braswell, and Dallas Turner on every play. The fact that we received no holding calls is a meme at this point, like literally a joke.

 

[Krymsonman]

Haven't watched this vid but Officiating has been horrible for YEARS now.

The main problem is that they are NEVER punished or held responsible for any poor performance.

The crew that called the 2022 Alabama at Tennessee game STILL HAVE JOBS.

In case anyone forgot.

The Tennessee Defense tried to KILL Bryce on the field. They hit him WAY LATE MULTIPLE times including TARGETING.... not even the new type of Targeting... But Old School Head Hunting targeting and got away with every bit of it.

They got away with 12 men on the field.... they got away with clapping to make our guys jump..

They got away with holding Will Anderson...they got away will DPI on our WR's and they got away with OPI on their WR's.

They lost track of downs... they threw a WAY LATE flag on an INT for us and took it away...

There's so much stuff that happened in that game where they maliciously screwed us.

THEY STILL HAVE JOBS.

Why???

WHHHHYYYYYY???!!!

That was Jason Autrey's crew, the same crew that botched the SC-LSU game last week, and the same crew that botched the Auburn-Arkansas game a couple of years ago where Nix spiked the ball backwards. I too wonder why they are still calling games in the SEC. They called our game with Tennessee so blatantly bad it had to be a pay off.

 

[dvldog]

I think the call on the “hit” on the SC QB by the LSU player could have been interpreted as a blind side block even though it was just a two handed push or shove. Not defending the refs just my thoughts on that particular call/play.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

That was Jason Autrey's crew, the same crew that botched the SC-LSU game last week, and the same crew that botched the Auburn-Arkansas game a couple of years ago where Nix spiked the ball backwards. I too wonder why they are still calling games in the SEC. They called our game with Tennessee so blatantly bad it had to be a pay off.

...and the UThug game in Knoxville two years ago.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I think the call on the “hit” on the LSU QB by the SC player could have been interpreted as a blind side block even though it was just a two handed push or shove. Not defending the refs just my thoughts on that particular call/play.

FIFY

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Autry is the perfect example of the Peter Principle in play-a person promoted to their level of incompetence. As far as I can tell, the guy never played the game and started his “career“ as a clock operator for middle school games. Not only were they a disaster at SC last Saturday and in Knoxville with us two years ago, they are the same crew that got suspended for a week for the blown Bo Nix “backwards spike fumble non call” against Arkansas. And so incompetent the NCAA awarded him and his crew with CFP Michigan-TCU game.

This is like having your surgeon accidentally operate on the wrong leg and “giving him another go at it because you have two legs they’ll probably get it right this time”.

Autry is director of public works in Okaloosa County, FL. If his crews there perform like his officiating crew on Saturdays then expect if a water main breaks in the middle of a road, they will patch up the road before repairing the pipe…..

I wonder if he is equally inept with his day job...

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Vega$ knows in advance who the officials are for each game...

 

[CB4]

LSU and UGA won last week directly because of bad officiating

but USF was the recipient of several invisible holding calls. And that was before Tua’s injury.

Some JawJa fan site was posting what they were calling blatant ”missed“ holding calls on Kentucky. Nothing came close to the muggings of Anderson, Braswell, Turner and others we‘ve seen over the years.

A Georgia defender literally rips the helmet off a Kentucky player and a flag for face mask gets called….on Kentucky? And this fan wants to complain about marginal (at best) missed holding calls.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I agree with Pate on most of his points, but not the cause-and-effect around Tua's concussion.

I also note that several of Pate's replays were from SEC games. But bad officiating was a problem in the SEC before Tua was playing even pee-wee football in Hawaii.

To an extent, I cut the officials some slack because things happen so fast in today's game, and they don't get the benefit of frame-by-frame replay like we fans do.

What I can't fathom is how often they get plays under review wrong. In that case, they do get the benefit of slow-motion replay from all sorts of angles, yet they still get it wrong. It's beyond me how that happens.

I also agree with his suggestion of standardized interpretation of rules across conferences -- where is the NCAA when there's actually something they could step in and govern? I also agree with making them full-time employees like the NFL. The cost wouldn't even be all that great in the context of today's salaries for coaches, administrators and pay-for-play for the players.

Suppose you pay officials an average of $150K a year -- less for new guys, more for more experienced. There are 8 officials on a crew, and in the SEC a maximum of 8 conference games on any given weekend. $150K x 8 officials x 8 games = $9.6 million.

Throw in some alternates, a few for when you supply refs for non-conference games, a centralized replay crew and maybe some administration and you're at maybe $15 million for the SEC.

Sounds like a lot until you divide it up 16 ways and you're at less than $950K for each SEC team. And that doesn't count the offset for what you're already paying the current SEC refs.

This can be done without a lot of financial pain.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I agree with Pate on most of his points, but not the cause-and-effect around Tua's concussion.

I also note that several of Pate's replays were from SEC games. But bad officiating was a problem in the SEC before Tua was playing even pee-wee football in Hawaii.

To an extent, I cut the officials some slack because things happen so fast in today's game, and they don't get the benefit of frame-by-frame replay like we fans do.

What I can't fathom is how often they get plays under review wrong. In that case, they do get the benefit of slow-motion replay from all sorts of angles, yet they still get it wrong. It's beyond me how that happens.

I also agree with his suggestion of standardized interpretation of rules across conferences -- where is the NCAA when there's actually something they could step in and govern? I also agree with making them full-time employees like the NFL. The cost wouldn't even be all that great in the context of today's salaries for coaches, administrators and pay-for-play for the players.

Suppose you pay officials an average of $150K a year -- less for new guys, more for more experienced. There are 8 officials on a crew, and in the SEC a maximum of 8 conference games on any given weekend. $150K x 8 officials x 8 games = $9.6 million.

Throw in some alternates, a few for when you supply refs for non-conference games, a centralized replay crew and maybe some administration and you're at maybe $15 million for the SEC.

Sounds like a lot until you divide it up 16 ways and you're at less than $950K for each SEC team. And that doesn't count the offset for what you're already paying the current SEC refs.

This can be done without a lot of financial pain.

Yeah, so is the replay official a part of the road crew or is he in B'ham?

If in B'ham, is he assigned to the samee road crew or do they rotate?