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The Leak pass (called fumble) and the controversy

Crimson Wonder

Crimson Wonder

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It is neither here nor there now but it seemed to me to be incomplete. It was my understanding that if the arm is going forward and in the direction of a receiver (both were happening) then its ruled incomplete when and if struck by a defender. Make no mistake he played like doo doo towards the end but I was a little shocked by that one.. Shoulda coulda woulda etc etc..

Oh well..

I hate Auburn and Wingnut.. and their day is coming.


lol Also wasnt it Leak who fumbled the hook & ladder at the end when passed back to him to give Bovine the cosmetic additional score?
 
Crimson Wonder said:
It is neither here nor there now but it seemed to me to be incomplete. It was my understanding that if the arm is going forward and in the direction of a receiver (both were happening) then its ruled incomplete when and if struck by a defender. Make no mistake he played like doo doo towards the end but I was a little shocked by that one.. Shoulda coulda woulda etc etc..

Oh well..

I hate Auburn and Wingnut.. and their day is coming.


lol Also wasnt it Leak who fumbled the hook & ladder at the end when passed back to him to give Bovine the cosmetic additional score?
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It looked to me like the ball was hit and came out of his hand. He had slowed down his motion and the ball came out much faster than his arm was moving.
 
After they showed MANY replays, it was more than evident that the ball came out while his arm was going forward, then the ball hit the defensive player's hand....the correct ruling: incomplete pass. Yet another call blown by the replay booth. This has nothing to do with the fact that I wanted Auburn to lose, it was an incomplete pass....period. Tubs said, "if it was a pass, it would've been intentional grounding." Not when the ball is hit by a defensive player when it is passed.
 
It was PLAINLY an incomplete pass. His arm was going forward and the ball came out on its own, it wasn't knocked out. As quickly as the replay official ruled, it would be interesting to have a little background on him. The Gators definitely have a legitimate beef.
 
I don't buy it... To me, by the time it fell out of his hand, his throwing motion was complete. Anyway, take the sack and win the game, don't leave the game in the ref's hands.
 
Whatever!

It's still a "W" for the Weagles!

I hate it that the game was won via a controversy; but if the Gators had played like they ought to have, there would NOT have to been any disputes, right?

I canNOT believe that someone with U of F's record, coming into that stadium and NOT been in the frame of mind to play the BEST ball they could! It makes NO sense to me whatsoever....I kinda blame it on the coaches for NOT getting them UP emotionally before the BIG game of their lives....

What a loser situation they fell into at Auburn!

..............But, you gotta give it to the winner of this game, they went into this game to play their best and their Coach "DID" get them up emotionally at the half to come back out and play the Gators to win the football game!!!

Darn it all!!!!

Know what I mean???:BigA:
 
SoldierForTide said:
I don't buy it... To me, by the time it fell out of his hand, his throwing motion was complete. Anyway, take the sack and win the game, don't leave the game in the ref's hands.
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Both teams have an equal right to a fairly called game. EVERY GAME is in the hands of the officials, especially if they're crooked or incompetent.
 
I hate auburn almost as much as anybody and I sure wanted them to lose. Then again, I don't like Florida much either. It looked to me like a fumble. Sure, his arm was going forward, but it looked like he was trying to hold the ball rather than throw it and he lost the handle on it. It wasn't hit by an auburn player. Nevertheless, Florida gave the game away. They didn't play well enough in the 2nd half to beat anybody. I'm surprised some folks haven't been claiming that Mike Shula was calling the plays for them.
 
The past few years AU has gotten its share of calls when playing at home that have had an impact on the outcome of the game, from the guy jumping to block the kick in the LSU game until now the phantom fumble.

The fumble (incomplete pass) was a reviewable call and should have been corrected in the booth. If the arm is going forward the rule says it's an incomplete pass. If you take it as more than just coincidence, then how many times can an AU O'lineman get away with holding, or pick plays or....etc...

P.S. I didn't really care who won the game. I just don't want to play the refs when we travel to the plains.


:BigA:
 
Tuberville said:
It doesn't matter, even if it was a pass, it would've been intentional grounding.
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Tubby is wrong about it being intentional grounding; And even if it WAS called intentional grounding, I may be out of the loop on this, but do they give 7 points to the opposing team for that now?

He can downplay it all he wants, but the call was wrong and it won the game for them.
 
With as many missed calls that we are getting from the replay booth this year, I'm beginning to wonder why are we even bothering with instant replay rulings. Might as well just leave the calls on the field.
 
RazedRite said:
Tubby is wrong about it being intentional grounding; And even if it WAS called intentional grounding, I may be out of the loop on this, but do they give 7 points to the opposing team for that now?
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You are definitely out of the loop; game officials follow a different set of rules at Auburn...intentional grounding by the opposition = 7 points for the home team.
 
From what I saw of the replays, it looked like an incomplete pass to me. It appears that the ball is coming out of Leaks hands at one angle and then all of a sudden the trajectory changes, which is when I believe the defender tipped it - incomplete pass. I just really did not see how the officials got a fumble out of that. Usually you see it under review when a QB is hit from behind just as he is trying to go forward with his throwing motion. In this case, it looked like one of those Brett Favre throws where he changes his mind at the last second but the ball just slips out and hits the dirt right in front of him. If it is coming out when the arm is going forward, how can it be a fumble? I don't know...confuses the heck outta me.
 
From the 2006 NCAA football rules:
b. When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts the
forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward
movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass
is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R.
2-19-2-I).
c. When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted
forward pass.​
 
c. When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted forward pass.
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Hmm. So not only did the Refs and replay official get it wrong, they got it wrong with no doubt in their minds whatsoever. Otherwise, it would have been correctly ruled an attempted forward pass.
 
At the game, it looked like an incomplete pass, and most of the Aubs around me agreed. But UF should have done what was necessary to come back and win. One of my co-workers informed me this morning that AU will still play in the BCS championship game, so let the delusions begin. We have a LOT to play for on Nov. 18!
 
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