Trump's Policies Part 6

Bazza

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Quite a bit of the illegal immigration problem is a result of actions taken by the Biden Administration. However, I'm not willing to use that to excuse Trump's policies. Human and constitutional rights matter, no matter the issue.
I think most people would be shocked at how many people died at the border during the Biden presidency.

Factor in the Fentanyl deaths......and an argument could easily be made that right now things are much more humane.

As far as "constitutional" comment....you mean like forgiving student loans after being ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court?

In a sweeping legal defeat of the former Biden administration, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit ruled that the administration’s student loan forgiveness efforts were unconstitutional.
 

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I'll give credit where credit is due. There's a huge difference in illegal crossings now versus when Biden was president. In regards to why the democrats lost the presidential election, I'll refrain from writing a novel as I am not as talented writer as many of you on this board. Here's the simple truth.
1. Kamala Harris wasn't a white guy
2. Kamala Harris was a person of color
3. Kamala Harris was a woman
4. Kamala Harris didn't exude likeability

The LBGTQ issues played little part IMO
Checking most of the identity politics boxes nicely - well done!

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I'll give credit where credit is due. There's a huge difference in illegal crossings now versus when Biden was president. In regards to why the democrats lost the presidential election, I'll refrain from writing a novel as I am not as talented writer as many of you on this board. Here's the simple truth.
1. Kamala Harris wasn't a white guy
2. Kamala Harris was a person of color
3. Kamala Harris was a woman
4. Kamala Harris didn't exude likeability

The LBGTQ issues played little part IMO
you forgot
5. the high price of eggs
 
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I think most people would be shocked at how many people died at the border during the Biden presidency.

Factor in the Fentanyl deaths......and an argument could easily be made that right now things are much more humane.

As far as "constitutional" comment....you mean like forgiving student loans after being ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court?



Biden, Biden, Biden...

More than 2700 border deaths from 2021-2024, almost of them related to illegal efforts to cross the border. A tragically high number, to be sure.

Are you admitting that some Trump actions have been unconstitutional or is this just a slam at Biden? Is denial of due process and ignoring court rulings related to deportation less of a problem than forgiving student loan debt?
 

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As far as "constitutional" comment....you mean like forgiving student loans after being ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court?
The court ruled that the new program was unconstitutional. Subsequent loan forgiveness was done via a program that already existed and thus was not subject to the ruling; however, that option did place severe restrictions on forgiveness.
 
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As long as these folks keep PRETENDING "former boys playing girls sports" is bonded together with "gay marriage," they'll keep losing.

But hey, I'm sure Martina Navratilova and Andrew Sullivan wouldn't know anything about those differences, right?
I think bundling them all is a mistake.
On Gay/Lesbian/bi "rights," I think there is a lot of agreement across the spectrum. Yes, there are those who hate them all, but most Americans regardless of political party have come to terms with gay marriage, non-discrimination based on sexual orientation, etc..
Lumping the trans issue into that is not a good idea.
When Democrats say, "A man who identifies as a woman really is a woman," well, Monty Python used to make jokes about how ridiculous that position is, but Democrats seem willing to die on that hill.
 
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That's not what I'm doing. As I said, I can support Trump as he follows the law to eliminate illegal border crossings. I've also said that the Biden Administration bears a lot of the blame for the problem. Apparently giving Trump some credit isn't enough, though. I also mustn't dare to criticize any aspect of his immigration policy, lest I sully the accolades he so desperately craves.
No, it's not about that at all - you literally said "I can't separate those two things."

THAT is what i was responding to...
 

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I'll give credit where credit is due. There's a huge difference in illegal crossings now versus when Biden was president. In regards to why the democrats lost the presidential election, I'll refrain from writing a novel as I am not as talented writer as many of you on this board. Here's the simple truth.
1. Kamala Harris wasn't a white guy
2. Kamala Harris was a person of color
3. Kamala Harris was a woman
4. Kamala Harris didn't exude likeability

The LBGTQ issues played little part IMO
Good grief...
 

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No, it's not about that at all - you literally said "I can't separate those two things."

THAT is what i was responding to...
In my mind, border control and deportations are inexorably linked under immigration. It's not my way of excusing Biden or refusing to give Trump credit. However, as I said, if we consider southern border control only, Trump has done a good job.
 

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I'll give credit where credit is due. There's a huge difference in illegal crossings now versus when Biden was president. In regards to why the democrats lost the presidential election, I'll refrain from writing a novel as I am not as talented writer as many of you on this board. Here's the simple truth.
1. Kamala Harris wasn't a white guy
2. Kamala Harris was a person of color
3. Kamala Harris was a woman
4. Kamala Harris didn't exude likeability

The LBGTQ issues played little part IMO
Comparing Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to Kamala Harris.

Hillary got more of the popular vote than Trump, but lost the election because of the way the Electoral College is set up.

So more than half of the electorate voted for a person who wasn’t a white guy In 2016. But since then, the electorate has become both more racist and more sexist?

The voters elected Barack Obama (a black guy)….twice. But since then, the electorate has gotten racist and won’t vote for a person of color?

Kamala Harris is a woman. Women have accounted for scads of elected officials at all levels except the President.

Kamala Harris didn’t exude likeability? That’s simply not true. She came across as highly likable. Uninformed. Not a lot of substance (which is why she washed out in her own Presidential campaign in 2020), but really telegenic and likeable. Unlike Hillary Clinton who comes across about as likeable as a rabid porcupine, but nevertheless got more than half the vote in 2020.

Kamala Harris lost in 2024 because she led a race to the left in 2020, got too far left for the Democratic Party in the summer of George Floyd (!), and was one of the first to exit the race. Then did nothing in the intervening 4 years to disavow those positions. When given a chance to backtrack, she declined.

The Democratic Party (as distinct from Kamala Harris) lost in 2024 because they turned a willfully blind eye to Biden’s mental decline, essentially saying to the public, “You gonna believe us or your own lying eyes?” and nominated a clearly addled Biden…..instead of Kamala Harris or anyone else.

To repeat: The Democratic Party didn’t nominate Harris. Twice….once in an open contest in 2020, and once again when it was clear that Biden’s mental capabilities weren’t up to the job, but they stuck with him anyway. Is the Democratic Party racist and sexist?

Only when Biden face-planted so badly that even the most strident Democratic leader could no longer deny that he was mentally unfit for office, did they move to abandon the idea that he could handle the job.

Then, rather than have a true race for the nomination, they coronated a candidate who, the last time out, was convincingly ousted from the field early on.

In fairness, they didn’t have much time. But that gets back to supporting Biden 2024 in the first place.

For a lot of reasons, mostly self-inflicted, the Democrats in general and Harris personally lost to the most beatable Republican since Herbert Hoover. None of those reasons had anything to do with Harris’s skin color or personal plumbing.

BTW — Asserting that more than half the electorate are racist woman-hating bigots isn’t exactly the recommended way to convert them to your side.
 
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But it sounds like gender affirming healthcare is banned until age of majority...

So how do you make a choice before then?
Mental health counseling. Find out what the real problem is before taking a mixed-up kid at his word. A few years back, we had a so-called "trans" kid take his own life, but closer examination showed that he wasn't really trans at all. His parents were divorcing and as is often the case, the kid was put on the back-burner during all of this. He was practically screaming for attention and that's what led to the transition. Sadly, it didn't work and when his pinhead parents didn't respond as he had hoped, he gave in to his despair and left this world. Not to sound petty, but I hope those parents are haunted by this for the rest of their lives.
 

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I'll give credit where credit is due. There's a huge difference in illegal crossings now versus when Biden was president. In regards to why the democrats lost the presidential election, I'll refrain from writing a novel as I am not as talented writer as many of you on this board. Here's the simple truth.
1. Kamala Harris wasn't a white guy
2. Kamala Harris was a person of color
3. Kamala Harris was a woman
4. Kamala Harris didn't exude likeability
STATES TRUMP CARRIED WITH WOMEN* OFFICEHOLDERS OF GOVERNOR OR SENATOR
Michigan - Gretchen Whitmer, Elissa Slotkin (elected on same day as Trump won)
Wisconsin - Tammy Baldwin
Iowa - Jodi Ernst, Kim Reynolds
Arkansas - Sarah Huckabee Sanders
Arizona - Katie Hobbs
Alabama - Kay Ivey, Katie Britt
Kansas - Laura Kelly
Alaska - Lisa Murkowski
Mississippi - Cindy Hyde-Smith
Nebraska - Deb Fischer
Nevada - Jacky Rosen (Same ballot as Trump), Catherine Masto
Tennessee - Marsha Blackburn (same ballot as Trump)
West Virginia - Shelly Capito
Wyoming - Cynthia Lummis

So.....obviously these states do not have any problem at all voting for a woman, not even the most rock-ribbed conservative ones that are supposedly so misogynistic.

Trump carried 14 of the states with at least one woman of Senator or Governor.
Harris carried 11.

These weren't states with issues electing women officeholders; they are states that simply rejected Kamala Harris as President. (And for those wanting to go the "but racist" route, Obama carried four of those states, so they obviously don't have a problem voting for a black candidate, either).

* - I'm not a biologist, but I'm also not a pretentious SCOTUS nominee hiding my real views.
 

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