Off Week Discussion/OL/Running Game/Play Calling

[cdub55]

We normally don't run wide out of that set you've got pictured. When we go to the outside we have WR's bunched closer to the LOS to help chip the end and then get to the middle LB while the center pulls. We also have a TE on the end as well. The above offensive and defensive alignment would be good to run between the tackles but our OL doesn't get enough of a push to do that either. So my guess is in the above picture, we're passing the ball. But if we could get a decent push that defensive alignment would be good to run against because they only have five in the box against our five OL'men.

Here's the formation we normally run wide out of. I've tried to use the cursor to show where the players go after the snap. It's not a great job but it'll do.

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And this is the hole it produces:

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For reference, this particular play was a draw (run) I posted.

I agree we usually run "wide" out of bunch formations. The particular concept we use is the pin and pull concept where we basically try to block down and get movement on the entire DL while pulling a guard or center to either kick out or log the end man on the LOS or wrap to the overhang. It is an old school buck sweep type run that gives the RB a two way go depending on if the defense keeps outside leverage and tries to box it in or gives up their outside shoulder and loses contain (where we would bounce it outside).

After going back and watching some film today the answer is pretty simple, we aren't very good at run blocking. Watch the first play of the Tennessee game (see below) and our LG gets literally drove back 6 yards into the backfield and tackles Jam Miller.

 

[arthurdawg]

Dewberry is 330 lbs and seems to get no push.

? just not strong

? just not good

 

[teamplayer]

Looking at several of those long passes on 3rd & 4th and short, there were actually underneath routes and they were open, Ty just chose to go deep. In particular, the pass that almost got picked in the EZ was either predetermined or a very bad read. The TE was open on a release across the middle and had 10-15yds easy.

I wondered a few times if we were trying to break up our tendencies and take some deep shots here and there. It seemed like some self-scouting that almost backfired a bit.

 

[92tide]

I wondered a few times if we were trying to break up our tendencies and take some deep shots here and there. It seemed like some self-scouting that almost backfired a bit.

nearly every one of them were wide freaking open, but ty overthrew.

i hope he can start hitting some of those

 

[Tideflyer]

Didn't know where to put this post, but since it's the off week, maybe just a new discussion of several things.

First off, we should be excited we are 7-1 going into the home stretch. Who would have thought that after week one? Now we have an off week to get rested and clean some things up. Great job by all: coaches and players!

I think Ty finally had an off game and we should have expected it. I said at the beginning of the season he might have a "slump" at some point due to his limited starting experience. I hope it was limited to this game. He missed at least 3 GB tagetted passes that with better acccuracy would have been 3 possible TD plays. He was just slightly off, but it may have been he was hurried because of the pass rush of the Cocks. I think TS will probably be much better against LSU.

Now, to the run game and our OL issues. I've reached the conclusion we've got to "dance with who brought us." I don't know if this OL can ever get too much better at run blocking. And, if I have one complaint about RG's play calling, it is that he puts us in some difficult spots in tight games just "trying" to run when it seems like we aren't going to be able. This gets us in alot of 2nd and long and 3rd and long and behind the chains. I think there were 3 straight drives against USCe in the second half where we tried to run on first down and got behind the chains. In a one score game like this game seemed to be the whole time, IMO, we need to forget the run game (especially the inside run game) and just do what we do best, which is letting Ty work with our WRs and running backs who are good receivers. Sprinkle in the occasional run on 2nd and short but let Ty work!!!

This might not be a popular opinion, but I don't think the run game problems are all on the OL. I think Jam is just slow to hit the hole (maybe because of injury still?) but that's what it looks like. D. Hill does a better job IMO.
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What else y'all got?

At this point, it looks as though the best we can hope for from the OTs is that they be able to at least force edge rushers wide enough for Ty to step up. They don’t appear to be quick enough to actually stone a rusher off the edge.

 

[editder]

Before the season, I thought we would be 7-1 at this point in the season. The OU game still really scares me, but we need to get past LSU first. It seems like they are a spiraling program, and we own them, so I think we handle them. Not much room for error moving forward though.

I’m with you on this. Not overly worried about LSU although anything could happen, but I am concerned about both OU and the barn.

OU may be a tough matchup even though it’s at home. For some reason they seem to have our number the way we have UGA’s.

The barn game is shaping up to be the classic nightmare scenario. KD has never played there before, he probably hasn’t internalized that it’s not just another game, it’s on the road against an unranked opponent (his kryptonite), and the barn’s going to play like their hair’s on fire.