Keith Olberman Calls Coach Holtz A Scumbag

[Bamabuzzard]

you should have stuck your hand in to grab a few olives as payment for services before handing it back

That would have been a great "Cousin Eddie" way of doing it

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Not trying to be "that guy", but in most cases single mothers don't wind up single mothers without an assist from an irresponsible man.

I agree in essence with much of what the meme says - and the most reliable predictor of future poverty IS single parenthood - but I also hesitate to inflict further scorn upon folks who more often than not are trying their best.

As far as "toxic masculinity," I've always thought it was one of those hackneyed phrases without meaning that not even the folks using it as an epithet could define with a gun pointed a their heads.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Not trying to be "that guy", but in most cases single mothers don't wind up single mothers without an assist from an irresponsible man.

I agree 100%. I have never been one to give deadbeat dads a pass. And I absolutely never will because......

I agree in essence with much of what the meme says - and the most reliable predictor of future poverty IS single parenthood - but I also hesitate to inflict further scorn upon folks who more often than not are trying their best.

When my first wife passed back in 2012, I became a singe dad of three. I know a good bit about single parenthood. The struggles were unlike anything else I had ever to work through.

As far as "toxic masculinity," I've always thought it was one of those hackneyed phrases without meaning that not even the folks using it as an epithet could define with a gun pointed a their heads.

I agree here as well. Toxic masculinity is one of those concepts that can only be a problem in a republic that has had it too good for a little too long. If we were in a depression, this phrase never gets made up in the first place.

 

[Con]

"Don't tell anyone about your problems. 80% of the people don't care and the other 20% are glad you have them."
~ Lou Holtz

This may need to be in the "Quotes" thread too.

 

[92tide]

As far as "toxic masculinity," I've always thought it was one of those hackneyed phrases without meaning that not even the folks using it as an epithet could define with a gun pointed a their heads.

sort of like “woke”

 

[selmaborntidefan]

sort of like “woke”

"Woke" - ironically - once had a sort of meaning that was imported onto it by the LEFT, about 11 or 12 years ago. I recall Michael Smith and - it may have been Jemele Hill (surprise, surprise) - referring to someone as "not woke enough." That was in the pre-Trump as a candidate era.

But somewhere along the way "woke" DID become a right-wing undefined epithet for "something I don't like" and as much as I'd like to think otherwise often has a component of racism within it.

 

[92tide]

"Woke" - ironically - once had a sort of meaning that was imported onto it by the LEFT, about 11 or 12 years ago. I recall Michael Smith and - it may have been Jemele Hill (surprise, surprise) - referring to someone as "not woke enough." That was in the pre-Trump as a candidate era.

But somewhere along the way "woke" DID become a right-wing undefined epithet for "something I don't like" and as much as I'd like to think otherwise often has a component of racism within it.

it originated in the early 20th century and eventually worked it's way into that.

then ron-in-boots came along with his bright idea

Woke - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Woke is an adjective derived from African-American English used since the 1930s or earlier to refer to awareness of racial prejudice and discrimination, often in the construction stay woke. The term acquired political connotations by the 1970s and gained further popularity in the 2010s with the hashtag #staywoke. Over time, woke came to be used to refer to a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism and denial of LGBTQ rights. Woke has also been used as shorthand for some ideas of the American Left involving identity politics and social justice, such as white privilege and reparations for slavery in the United States.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#cite_note-Morgan_2020-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#cite_note-Romano_2020-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#cite_note-Mirzaei_2019-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

 

[CrimsonJazz]

"Woke" - ironically - once had a sort of meaning that was imported onto it by the LEFT, about 11 or 12 years ago. I recall Michael Smith and - it may have been Jemele Hill (surprise, surprise) - referring to someone as "not woke enough." That was in the pre-Trump as a candidate era.

But somewhere along the way "woke" DID become a right-wing undefined epithet for "something I don't like" and as much as I'd like to think otherwise often has a component of racism within it.

If I'm remembering correctly, the term "woke" was being used by black activists of the day. It was a call to be ever watchful for things like institutionalized racism and violation of rights. In yet another cultural appropriation move, white progressives latched on to it to describe issues that were both racial and non-racial. It sort of took off among the younger, online set, but as you pointed out, the right-wing caught wind of this and actually ballooned the whole thing up in ways it otherwise wouldn't have.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

it originated in the early 20th century and eventually worked it's way into that.

then ron-in-boots came along with his bright idea

Woke - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Woke is an adjective derived from African-American English used since the 1930s or earlier to refer to awareness of racial prejudice and discrimination, often in the construction stay woke. The term acquired political connotations by the 1970s and gained further popularity in the 2010s with the hashtag #staywoke. Over time, woke came to be used to refer to a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism and denial of LGBTQ rights. Woke has also been used as shorthand for some ideas of the American Left involving identity politics and social justice, such as white privilege and reparations for slavery in the United States.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#cite_note-Morgan_2020-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#cite_note-Romano_2020-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke#cite_note-Mirzaei_2019-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

A lot of words meant one thing and later meant something.

Starting with "gay".

But thank you for the history lesson, too.

 

[92tide]

A lot of words meant one thing and later meant something.

Starting with "gay".

But thank you for the history lesson, too.

listening to mother maybell sing about her gay laugh always made me giggle as a kid

 

[selmaborntidefan]

If I'm remembering correctly, the term "woke" was being used by black activists of the day. It was a call to be ever watchful for things like institutionalized racism and violation of rights. In yet another cultural appropriation move, white progressives latched on to it to describe issues that were both racial and non-racial. It sort of took off among the younger, online set, but as you pointed out, the right-wing caught wind of this and actually ballooned the whole thing up in ways it otherwise wouldn't have.

Well, this often happens in politics.

Every single politician at the state level believes in "states rights." But nobody nowadays would ever say it using the words, either, because of what it came to mean.

When Democratic governors during Covid were asserting their state authority to decide what to do about opening churches and businesses (etc), they were asserting STATES RIGHTS. But nobody in this day and age is ever going to say they're for that because the connotation went from one of a small federal government when the Southern segregationists co-opted it for resistance to abolition/integration.

It meant something completely different out West than it meant in the South.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

listening to mother maybell sing about her gay laugh always made me giggle as a kid

Nowadays I laugh whenever I hear the Flintstones theme about having "a gay old time", too.