The Decline of the DNC IV

[JDCrimson]

One thing that's difficult to know is how big a fool someone is going to make of themselves when running. The pressures of running for President and the traps the scumbags set for each other - circulate a negative story that has at most a kernel of truth, and if the opponent doesn't respond, it becomes part of who they are, but if they DO respond, it takes on a life of its own - most people are not ready for this. And no matter how superstar a candidate looks on the resume, we can't know these things in advance.

I think AOC would - all things being equal - fall flat on her face in an epic failure. Her entire schtick is little more than branding, she has almost no REAL WORLD experience with her election at such a young age, and her entire sales pitch is victimhood, meaning when she runs into trouble, she's likely to fall into "it's because I'm a Latinx woman," and America doesn't elect a victim (if you don't believe me, ask Hillary).

Let’s face it, her fame in the party is entirely that she fills in every box in the classic democratic identity politics, manual: female, not white, from the northeastern United States, college graduate from a somewhat prestigious school, and shamelessly socialist.

Plus - as Rick Wilson has been warning them for years - her numbers outside of her deep blue sea district are upside down, and the "fake tough talk from Queens" not only has been co-opted by the current President for a decade now, but she bobs her head like a valley girl and looks more like bartender fending off a pass from a drunk creep than a President. Do people not realize they have already calibrated the bombs they intend to throw it her and hope that she is the nominee? If one particular book is to be believed, Lee Atwater was in a Little Rock in 1989 digging up dirt on Bill Clinton, whom he feared was the guy who could knock off bush in 1992.

Now....COULD she win a primary?

Sure.

But my suspicion is that the “fake tough girl” act will not play well in the Democratic Party in South Carolina. In folks, I will never defend the racial animus of southern whites against Black people, but those of you who have a lot of friends are probably well aware of the fact that a substantial chunk of Hispanics and blacks don’t look very highly upon one another as well.

No, nobody in the party is going to say it, but that’s been part of their problem with reality.

All of this is true except one part...

Maybe for the first time America elected the Victim King, Trump, who is always targeted but is never defeated...

 

[AWRTR]

Why is this still a thing?

This has become the same type of cliche as "the Republican racist Southern strategy" canard - there's a tad bit of "evidence" here and there but it's hardly a proliferative truth, but it becomes one somehow in the discussion.

The Democrats have nominated the more "conservative/centrist" candidate more often than not since 1972. Yes, McGovern is the prototype for "nominated someone who couldn't possibly win the election," but let's spot them the one year since the entire primary system as applied that year was brand new to everyone.

1976 - centrist Carter over all of the liberals
1980 - incumbent Carter over liberal Ted Kennedy
1984 - see below
1988 - see below
1992 - Clinton was probably the most conservative Democrat in the race, both by politics and promises
1996 - no contest
2000 - centrist Gore over liberal Bill Bradley
2004 - okay, Kerry is a liberal, but he's not as far to the left as Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich
2008 - Obama was probably more liberal than Hillary, but he didn't run (for the most part) as a liberal
2012 - no contest
2016 - Hillary was more centrist than Bernie Sanders
2020 - Biden was more centrist than Sanders or Warren (among others)
2024 - no "real" contest

So for all of the "a centrist can't win the nomination" for the Democrats, the evidence comes down to three races: 1972, 1984, and 1988.

Now, I'm not DENYING that their nominees haven't been liberal - when compared to the Republican nominee, maybe in some cases when compared to the electorate as a whole - but they've been within a reasonable reach of the center, too. That leaves Mondale and Dukakis.

Mondale's problem in 1984 wasn't "really" his liberalism. His problem was that he was the one candidate the Democrats could nominate that allowed Reagan to run the "compare my four years with his." Yes, he won the nomination by kowtowing to the liberal special interest groups more than any candidate ever, and he got clobbered but not because he was thought to be a bad guy. Indeed, Reagan's own biographer pointed out that very few voters actually disliked Mondale, they just thought he was going to raise their taxes because that's what he'd promised.

As far as Dukakis, yes, he was an extreme liberal - what else can you call a guy who thinks first degree murderers deserve weekend furloughs and who still defends them after one commits rape while out on furlough and disappearing for ten months? - but he didn't "really" win the nomination because he was a liberal. He won it because Al Gore and Richard Gephardt SPLIT the white Southern moderate vote, Jesse Jackson got the blacks, and Dukakis got the liberal vote from close to the center to the extremes. Paul Simon and Bruce Babbitt were goofy looking guys in the TV era, and Gary Hart, well, enough.

I know it's common to say, "the Democratic candidate is a socialist out of touch with mainstream America," but that hasn't REALLY been the case.

Kamala Harris was without question an extreme liberal (quick - anyone tell me any of her positions on issues other than abortion, which she almost seemed to want to be a cheer at the ballgame, and bailing out protestors at the George Floyd riots), but that has nothing to do with why she got handed the nomination. She got handed the nomination because she was the only one who could use the millions upon millions already in the till. That and the Congressional Black Caucus would rather have lost with Harris than won with Gretchen Whitmer.

After Obama is when I began to see a shift. In 2016 the DNC did everything they could to stack the deck against Bernie and then in 2020 there was a coordinated withdrawal of the other candidates to stop Sanders. Obama and his people were in on it and it was highly coordinated. The progressive or farther left wing of the party has been growing in strength for years and I think it's at a tipping point. I will be happy to be proven wrong. We need two sane parties, and to be honest we don't have even one. There may be a sane one scattered here or there, but as a whole it's a train wreck.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Me in 2020:
He only picked Harris because of the Black Lives Matter riots.

Liberals playing their only card:
You’re a racist.

And here we are and it is documented in no less of a liberal periodical than “The Atlantic” that I am right.

Biden 'had to choose' Harris as VP — here's who he actually 'wanted': report

An Atlantic article profiled the Democratic governor and potential 2028 presidential candidate on Sunday.

nypost.com

Same thing, as always:
Democrat makes stupid decision based on race, I pointed out, I get called racist, and years later they admit what I was saying was right was always right on day one.

Biden is the moron who tried to cut off Elizabeth Warren by promising to pick a woman. There was precisely zero reason to do that. Then he hauled off and picked the one who - implicitly - called him a racist.

What were the black voters going to do, go vote for Donald Trump?

Biden‘s failure to understand this basic symbiosis of politics is why he always was and always will be a political moron. He painted himself into a corner, he thought he was immortal, he thought he was indispensable, and it cost his party.

Of course, they want to blame him in isolation when it was their commitment to this level of extreme identity politics that caused the whole problem.

And yet, they’re going to take the house this fall.

 

[Bazza]

Once a racist......always a racist.......

Former US President Joe Biden has been roasted after he awkwardly referred to a Black man as “Barack” during a speech.

On Tuesday, Biden spoke at Syracuse University in New York to celebrate the unveiling of a portrait of the 46th president.

Biden’s celebratory moment was slightly blemished after he compared a Black member of the university's

Board of Trustees to former US president Barack Obama.“I always want to turn around to one guy and say… 'Barack, what are you doing?’” Biden said.

The former president then called on the man, Jeffrey M. Scruggs, to join him on the stage.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Me in 2020:
He only picked Harris because of the Black Lives Matter riots.

Liberals playing their only card:
You’re a racist.

And here we are and it is documented in no less of a liberal periodical than “The Atlantic” that I am right.

Biden 'had to choose' Harris as VP — here's who he actually 'wanted': report

An Atlantic article profiled the Democratic governor and potential 2028 presidential candidate on Sunday.

nypost.com

Same thing, as always:
Democrat makes stupid decision based on race, I pointed out, I get called racist, and years later they admit what I was saying was right was always right on day one.

Biden is the moron who tried to cut off Elizabeth Warren by promising to pick a woman. There was precisely zero reason to do that. Then he hauled off and picked the one who - implicitly - called him a racist.

What were the black voters going to do, go vote for Donald Trump?

Biden‘s failure to understand this basic symbiosis of politics is why he always was and always will be a political moron. He painted himself into a corner, he thought he was immortal, he thought he was indispensable, and it cost his party.

Of course, they want to blame him in isolation when it was their commitment to this level of extreme identity politics that caused the whole problem.

And yet, they’re going to take the house this fall.

"You are just racist" seems to be the lefts go to for any disagreement with a democratic person of color. Anytime you disagreed with Obama you were racist. Didn't vote for Obama or Harris? Racist. With Harris they got to throw in sexist and misogynistic too.

 

[arthurdawg]

Once a racist......always a racist.......

Former US President Joe Biden has been roasted after he awkwardly referred to a Black man as “Barack” during a speech.

On Tuesday, Biden spoke at Syracuse University in New York to celebrate the unveiling of a portrait of the 46th president.

Biden’s celebratory moment was slightly blemished after he compared a Black member of the university's

Board of Trustees to former US president Barack Obama.“I always want to turn around to one guy and say… 'Barack, what are you doing?’” Biden said.

The former president then called on the man, Jeffrey M. Scruggs, to join him on the stage.

Sadly... Probably just his Alzheimer's kicking in. Such an awful disease.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Sadly... Probably just his Alzheimer's kicking in. Such an awful disease.

Agreed. My contempt for Biden dissolved into pity rather quickly when I realized just how bad it was. I didn't hold him accountable for much after that moment. (His administration, however, is another story.)

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Sadly... Probably just his Alzheimer's kicking in. Such an awful disease.

Gaslighting Biden on race coming from voters of a guy who got in trouble for his race based real estate way back in the 70s is hilarious.

I don’t think Biden is a racist, at least not in the “normal” sense of the word. I think one can be a “person of the times he lived in,” more “I don’t know many blacks” than overtly prejudiced.

As opposed to the current President, who is removing every vestige of black advancement he can get away with.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Shoot The Messenger: California Democrats Push ‘Stop Nick Shirley Act’ After Major Fraud Bust

California Democrats advance AB 2624, dubbed the “Stop Nick Shirley Act,” just weeks after “Operation Never Say Die” exposed major fraud.

www.yahoo.com

Just weeks after federal prosecutors launched “Operation Never Say Die” — a crackdown on widespread fraud in Los Angeles, California —Democrats are moving quickly to ensure that the journalist who helped expose the fraud cannot do so again.

Critics have dubbed it the “Stop Nick Shirley Act,” arguing that it is designed to silence independent journalists who are holding accountable those profiting from fraud in “The Golden State.”

For journalists like Nick Shirley, whose on-the-ground video footage of the Minnesota fraud series went viral, the implications are significant. Anyone who doesn’t obey the new law could be hauled into court and hit with damages starting at $4,000 per violation – just for publishing what they saw.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Shoot The Messenger: California Democrats Push ‘Stop Nick Shirley Act’ After Major Fraud Bust

California Democrats advance AB 2624, dubbed the “Stop Nick Shirley Act,” just weeks after “Operation Never Say Die” exposed major fraud.

www.yahoo.com

Gotta protect those fraud-lined coffers...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

"You are just racist" seems to be the lefts go to for any disagreement with a democratic person of color. Anytime you disagreed with Obama you were racist. Didn't vote for Obama or Harris? Racist. With Harris they got to throw in sexist and misogynistic too.

What is hilarious is that that logic is never applied to disagreements by the left with Sarah Palin.

 

[75thru79]

Shoot The Messenger: California Democrats Push ‘Stop Nick Shirley Act’ After Major Fraud Bust

California Democrats advance AB 2624, dubbed the “Stop Nick Shirley Act,” just weeks after “Operation Never Say Die” exposed major fraud.

www.yahoo.com

I don’t see how this survives a Supreme Court challenge.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I don’t see how this survives a Supreme Court challenge.

That was my first thought as well.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Minnesotans lost $9B in taxpayer dollars to just 14 Medicaid programs under Tim Walz’s administration.

Today, every single Democrat in Rules Committee voted to block an investigation into that fraud.

Absolutely disgusting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044498499379540409

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Minnesotans lost $9B in taxpayer dollars to just 14 Medicaid programs under Tim Walz’s administration.

Today, every single Democrat in Rules Committee voted to block an investigation into that fraud.

Absolutely disgusting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044498499379540409

If he had an R next to his name. these same democrats would demand "justice".

 

[Huckleberry]

Minnesotans lost $9B in taxpayer dollars to just 14 Medicaid programs under Tim Walz’s administration.

Today, every single Democrat in Rules Committee voted to block an investigation into that fraud.

Absolutely disgusting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2044498499379540409

Framing impeachment articles as an investigation into fraud seems a bit misleading.

Effort to impeach Walz, Ellison fails on tie vote in Minnesota House committee

A resolution to forward articles of impeachment against Gov. Tim Walz and Attorney General Keith Ellison failed on an 8-8 tie vote in the Minnesota House Rules and Administration Committee, with all Republicans voting in favor and all Democrats voting against.

kstp.com

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Northam’s big sin?
35 years earlier, he is alleged to have appeared in black face in a medical school yearbook.

Fairfax’s big sin?
The same week, the Northam story broke, he was accused of sexual assault; today, he killed his wife and then he killed himself with the kids at home.

The Democratic Party - the only place where ALLEGED racism from 35 years ago is worse than murder or sexual assault.

In the interest of fairness, Biden could not have known in 2019 what Fairfax would do in 2026; however, the sexual assault story broke at the same time. As a consequence, Democrats lost both the governor’s house and the lieutenant governor‘s chair in the next election.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Almost as good as "Melania"...

 

[selmaborntidefan]

If he had an R next to his name. these same democrats would demand "justice".

You are 100% correct.

On the other hand - anyone supporting Trump's constant "I'll keep you from investigating me" doesn't get to complain, either.

And this is where it's going.


The very same MAGAs who are laughing their butts off right now over these things will one day be on the receiving end of same just as the Democrats who smugly chuckled when Harry Reid nuked the filibuster on judges have had 3 SCOTUS appointees by Trump rammed right back at them.

They may get two more this year, which would mean the majority of the Supreme Court was appointed by this grifting clown show of a casino operator.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

"You are just racist" seems to be the lefts go to for any disagreement with a democratic person of color. Anytime you disagreed with Obama you were racist. Didn't vote for Obama or Harris? Racist. With Harris they got to throw in sexist and misogynistic too.

I am by no means an Ann Coulter fan, but I was watching some show on Fox News back when it was only half insane (as opposed to fully insane like today) and Coulter was on there with a mix of liberals and conservatives. I believe one of them was Bob Bechtel, who helped run Mondale's 1984 campaign, by all accounts a good guy. They were discussing the upcoming replacement of Colin Powell as Secretary of State with Condoleeza Rice, and Bechtel was either going Skip Bayless contrarian (but without the hyperbole) or maybe the producer wanted him to mix it up. Anyway, he took a rather mild position against Rice - I think he nested his criticism in the fact she was part of the group that got us into Iraqi Freedom in the first place - and Coulter gave him a dose of what liberals did to conservatives through the 70s and 80s (in particular) by in essence calling him a racist and misogynist but far more cleverly than just making an over-the-top accusation.

He absolutely came unglued, and she flashed that smarmy Marlboro face she has. And my immediate thought was, "I'll bet Bob doesn't have a racist bone in his body, but now he's been hit by the same accusation his own side has made an art form for years."

My suspicion is that it's the same thing Johnnie Cochran did when he wanted the whole world to know that Mark Fuhrman said the N word. You scramble the thought process with "that person is an R" and all evidence to the contrary gets viewed through "that person is a R." It's designed, in essence, to keep the votes from straying.


Let me drive the point home like this. EVERYBODY remembers the name Willie Horton. The average person cannot even tell you what the FACTS are in the Horton case, but they know the name. Why do they know the name? Because the Bush campaign ran a racist commercial in the 1988 election (fact check: Bush not only did not run a commercial with Horton, HE SUED THE GUY WHO DID!).

But Bill Clinton executed a lobotomized black man while on the campaign trail in New Hampshire in 1992.

Without looking - tell me his name.

You probably can't.
But I will 100% guarantee you that if Clinton had been a Republican you most certainly could.