I think on Grubb, he probably is still getting a dollar or two from Seattle, could be wrong though
DeBoer Gets Contract Extension and Raise
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I want to touch on few things. I've seen stuff here and there on other board on CKD and his extensions.
What everyone doesn't seem to understand that despite all the issues the team had, injuries on OL, RB, and Simpson's injuries didn't help they made it to SEC Championship and made to 2nd round in CFB playoff. That's one hell of a work. If you were witnessing the situation playing out on the field, you would be walking on sideline confused as hell, wondering, "*** is going on." They tried their best to fix the issues.. but if you remember what Saban said years ago... It's hard to fix problems during the season because you simply don't have time. You just do the best job as you can.. and you fix it in offseason. That's exactly what CKD did.
He definitely saw the issues, and made a note of it, and he made changes in the offseason. Look at this: Alabama Crimson Tide 2026 College Football Transfer Portal Latest Activity
Fans, especially at Alabama, and I've said this over and over: They feel entitled by the past success and have high unrealistic expectations with CKD. One thing I was proud about the team this past season is that they didn't give up. They fought like hell during the season and they simply ran out of gas toward the end.
Whether we like it or not, CKD got his extension, and it benefits both sides. It helps secure the Class of 2027 recruits. The last thing we need is another noise toward the end of the season. We as a fan really need to chill out for real.
What everyone doesn't seem to understand that despite all the issues the team had, injuries on OL, RB, and Simpson's injuries didn't help they made it to SEC Championship and made to 2nd round in CFB playoff. That's one hell of a work. If you were witnessing the situation playing out on the field, you would be walking on sideline confused as hell, wondering, "*** is going on." They tried their best to fix the issues.. but if you remember what Saban said years ago... It's hard to fix problems during the season because you simply don't have time. You just do the best job as you can.. and you fix it in offseason. That's exactly what CKD did.
He definitely saw the issues, and made a note of it, and he made changes in the offseason. Look at this: Alabama Crimson Tide 2026 College Football Transfer Portal Latest Activity
Fans, especially at Alabama, and I've said this over and over: They feel entitled by the past success and have high unrealistic expectations with CKD. One thing I was proud about the team this past season is that they didn't give up. They fought like hell during the season and they simply ran out of gas toward the end.
Whether we like it or not, CKD got his extension, and it benefits both sides. It helps secure the Class of 2027 recruits. The last thing we need is another noise toward the end of the season. We as a fan really need to chill out for real.
The biggest improvement I want to see this season, avoid a 2/3 TD loss. He has had 4 in his first 2 years. Just be competitive in every game. Getting run off the field in 1-2 games a year is unacceptable.
Yet there have been two members of his first UA oline that were 1st rounders. Pathetic oline coaching. PERIOD
I fully agree. Alabama fans feel entitled and there's an element of that which is good. It forces anyone who takes this job to do everything they can to win and not turn it into a gravy train employment and use it as nothing more than a state retirement plan like some college coaches have done. Yes, it has its toxic side, but it's a necessary evil to keep the pursuit of championships at the forefront.
I also agree that some issues cannot be fixed during the season, and a coach is stuck with them until after the season. I think there were several things, like assistant coaches, that he was "stuck with" until the season ended.
However, I do not agree that this extension was good for both sides, and honestly, it doesn't do anything to secure 2027 recruits. It benefits CKD because his buyout for another team wanting him is still within a very affordable range. So, if toward the end of the season there becomes noise of another team wanting him and he has interest, there's no security for Alabama or potential recruits because the buyout is doable. Whereas, if the season goes to hell in a handbasket, and the university wants to get rid of him, they've got an even bigger financial hurdle to clear than they did in the original contract. So, I don't agree the extension benefits both sides.
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"Fans, especially at Alabama, and I've said this over and over: They feel entitled by the past success and have high unrealistic expectations with CKD."
When you're being paid in the top 4 dollar wise, high expectations tend to be a part of the territory.
I understand the points that have been cogently made, but part of this still bothers me. Maybe it's the part that sounds so much like we've turned into Auburn trembling at the notion of losing Gus Malzahn - and agreeing to a bad, bad deal in their fear.
1) DeBoer now has zero incentive to do any better or even stay the same.
We've basically signed a prenup with a guy who gets rewarded for breaking it.
You know, like traditional marriage with rich folks.
He can go 5-7 this year, and we're stuck with either paying him to leave or putting up with him for another 2-3-4 years.
2) The problem with DeBoer isn't any single loss - it's ALL of them.
The problem is NOT that he lost to Vandy in 2024.
The problem is NOT that he lost to a bad Oklahoma team later that year.
The problem is NOT the blowout loss to Indiana.
It's ALL of the losses - and how we've looked, like a team that had Mike DuBose-level practices. Let's face it, we're on everyone's hit list for all the years we beat teams, games often over before the end of the first quarter. It's like when Oklahoma was down in the 90s or like Nebraska from 1998 - 2011.
3) Our operating in fear of what might happen doesn't help things.
If Michigan or Texas or a number of other schools decide that "guy who couldn't cut it at Alabama is who we want as our head coach," there isn't really all that much we can do to stop it anyway. "Oh, he has to pay X to leave." Sure, and you think the next school won't lather his pay with that money so it's no loss to him anyway?
This extension will NOT result in "it's too expensive to fire him" anywhere but in the state of Alabama. And it won't stop the Tim Brandos channeling their inner Woody Woodpecker to create a ruckus so they can make the noon two martini lunch, either.
4) Having said that, we're left with who the obvious upgrade is if he leaves however.
There are but a small number of coaches who even make the list - and how many of them are coming to T-Town? Somehow one has to be able to look over the mass of coaches and see the next Ryan Day or Curt Cignetti, and you're more likely to be wrong than right.
I just think from the details of the contract we're told that this was a bad deal. It sounds to me like the only thing that changed is we've been in a two-year rocky marriage and decided that paying him more to divorce us will somehow actually strengthen the marriage.
Which is absurd.
1) DeBoer now has zero incentive to do any better or even stay the same.
We've basically signed a prenup with a guy who gets rewarded for breaking it.
You know, like traditional marriage with rich folks.
He can go 5-7 this year, and we're stuck with either paying him to leave or putting up with him for another 2-3-4 years.
2) The problem with DeBoer isn't any single loss - it's ALL of them.
The problem is NOT that he lost to Vandy in 2024.
The problem is NOT that he lost to a bad Oklahoma team later that year.
The problem is NOT the blowout loss to Indiana.
It's ALL of the losses - and how we've looked, like a team that had Mike DuBose-level practices. Let's face it, we're on everyone's hit list for all the years we beat teams, games often over before the end of the first quarter. It's like when Oklahoma was down in the 90s or like Nebraska from 1998 - 2011.
3) Our operating in fear of what might happen doesn't help things.
If Michigan or Texas or a number of other schools decide that "guy who couldn't cut it at Alabama is who we want as our head coach," there isn't really all that much we can do to stop it anyway. "Oh, he has to pay X to leave." Sure, and you think the next school won't lather his pay with that money so it's no loss to him anyway?
This extension will NOT result in "it's too expensive to fire him" anywhere but in the state of Alabama. And it won't stop the Tim Brandos channeling their inner Woody Woodpecker to create a ruckus so they can make the noon two martini lunch, either.
4) Having said that, we're left with who the obvious upgrade is if he leaves however.
There are but a small number of coaches who even make the list - and how many of them are coming to T-Town? Somehow one has to be able to look over the mass of coaches and see the next Ryan Day or Curt Cignetti, and you're more likely to be wrong than right.
I just think from the details of the contract we're told that this was a bad deal. It sounds to me like the only thing that changed is we've been in a two-year rocky marriage and decided that paying him more to divorce us will somehow actually strengthen the marriage.
Which is absurd.
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While it's been said, it hasn't been fully accepted, but CKD didn't inherit a program that was anywhere as healthy as many think.
The main reason many haven't accepted this is because it is very nuanced and multifaceted.
You see, many of the same things CKD inherited and dealt with in his first two seasons were the very things that drove CNS to retirement: LANK (NIL/portal issues), assistant coaching issues, the JM QB situation, problems with penalties, problem with player "anxieties" and, last but not least, perhaps the biggest thing was NC expectations.
These are not things that get fixed overnight or in just one or two seasons. Furthermore, while it could be argued we should have won a NC in 2022 if it weren't for a scourge of injuries, CNS did not win a NC in his final 3 seasons...the first time we ever went that long in his tenure without one, and didn't ever play again for a national championship past the '21 season!
Yet, CDK inherited all of these issues, was good enough to take Washington to a NC game in 2023 (something CNS didn't accomplish past the 2021 season) and juggled the incredible coaching change in January of 2024 including inheriting all these expectations for championships.
And now for two seasons he hasn't "won" enough (which means he hasn't won a NC), even though CNS, the GOAT, couldn't do his last 3 seasons!!!
Talk about some tall cotton to wade...expecting things from CKD that even CNS couldn't deliver???
The main reason many haven't accepted this is because it is very nuanced and multifaceted.
You see, many of the same things CKD inherited and dealt with in his first two seasons were the very things that drove CNS to retirement: LANK (NIL/portal issues), assistant coaching issues, the JM QB situation, problems with penalties, problem with player "anxieties" and, last but not least, perhaps the biggest thing was NC expectations.
These are not things that get fixed overnight or in just one or two seasons. Furthermore, while it could be argued we should have won a NC in 2022 if it weren't for a scourge of injuries, CNS did not win a NC in his final 3 seasons...the first time we ever went that long in his tenure without one, and didn't ever play again for a national championship past the '21 season!
Yet, CDK inherited all of these issues, was good enough to take Washington to a NC game in 2023 (something CNS didn't accomplish past the 2021 season) and juggled the incredible coaching change in January of 2024 including inheriting all these expectations for championships.
And now for two seasons he hasn't "won" enough (which means he hasn't won a NC), even though CNS, the GOAT, couldn't do his last 3 seasons!!!
Talk about some tall cotton to wade...expecting things from CKD that even CNS couldn't deliver???
CNS’s final 3 seasons he was 36-6 with 2 SEC Titles including playing for a NC and Making a CFBP Semi with the loss being in OT to the eventual NC
CKD is 20-8 with 2 seasons in a row of at least 4 losses and his high point is making a Quarterfinal and getting Blasted.
That’s the view and no matter how nuanced or multifaceted it is or isn’t it’s not to difficult for anyone to understand that one did Waaaay More with the same circumstances and that was CNS.
I don’t need CKD to be CNS but it would be cool if the mulligans and revisionist history would stop.
My memory is no where near as good as say Selma but it’s pretty good and I know exactly what’s gone on the last several years.
In this day of "how much will you pay me", does coaching stability matter much anymore?
what expectations do you think he did not meet? It is rare for coaches to win national and conference championships every year. Alot of teams would love to have our record from last year (beat Georgia, go to sec championship game, go to playoffs, win a playoff game, top 5 recruiting class every year). I am just curious if you think the school had different expectations or just your own unrealistic ones?
Sorry, that's not revisionist history! Everything I listed is something CKD has had to deal with that CNS chose NOT to deal with OR couldn't fix before he retired.
Nobody is comparing their records...I didn't, at least. I'm talking about expectations going straight from CNS to CKD. And let's not act like CNS never lost a game when we looked unprepared. Remember the 44-16 loss to Clemson?
The blowout loses are real and concerning (I never said they aren't), but don't dismiss everything else I said because of one thing I didn't say. You are actually falling for the same trap I'm referring to. You are expecting CKD to be as good as CNS.
Whether he fixed it or not is yet to be determined.
TBF, the NIL landscape changed during that period. The programs with the most financial clout were more able adapt while the rest have to struggled to adjust...
And let's don't forget this happened too:TBF, the NIL landscape changed during that period. The programs with the most financial clout were more able adapt while the rest have to struggled to adjust...
- Caleb Downs (S): Ohio State
- Isaiah Bond (WR): Texas
- Julian Sayin (QB): Ohio State
- Amari Niblack (TE): Texas
- Dezz Ricks (CB): Texas A&M
- Trey Amos (CB): Ole Miss
- Shawn Murphy (LB): Florida State
- Antonio Kite (CB): Auburn
- Jameer Grimsley (CB): Florida
- Eli Holstein (QB): Pittsburgh
- Roydell Williams (RB): Florida State
- Anquin Barnes Jr. (DL): Colorado
We'll never know, but Caleb Downs alone could have changed the outcome of many of the losses and lopsided scores we incurred the last couple of years!!! And I'm talking about on field abilities and that's not even considering his influence in the locker room!!! Remember, he was one of CNS's favorite players he ever recruited and he was the one player he said was "most ready" to play when he showed up in T-town.
I am just exhausted by the comparisons and excuse making.
There is no way to debate it in a constructive way or win it anymore.
The excuse making for CKD just keeps going and for a while now CNS gets brought up to set the table.
It’s somehow his fault and not CKD’s.
I would never say there wasn’t any kind of decline in the final years but it was not as bad as people purport to be in efforts to soften how badly we have played many times the last two years.
CKD has lost to a 5 loss team, two six loss teams, and a 7 loss team.
He’s lost by 14 or more points 4 times and 21 or more 3 times.
We’ve looked completely unprepared several times and not made adjustments at half several times.
Our Running game has reached an all time low… like the worst rushing game in decades and one of the worst ever.
We have become a super soft team from top to bottom.
That’s all CKD and nothing to do with anybody else.
Now to be fair to him and I’m trying to be he may still get things adjusted and it appears he’s trying to at least.
But he has done nothing to warrant a pay raise or a contract extension. Not yet.
I didn't comment on the contract issues. I don't know enough about the business side of this to know. I was "surprised" too.
What I posted is NOT "excuse making for CKD." What I said is REAL! The things I mentioned are many and interconnected.
I'm not even saying they are connected to the blowout losses. But I can't imagine them not being a part of the narrative in some small way. But my point is you are expecting similar outcomes from CKD as CNS and that's unfair to him. As I said, the blowout losses are real and they are concerning. Let's see if in year 3 that starts to change as well!
That's all I plan to say about this. RTR!
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