Link: Reuben in trouble again... (DV Charges Dropped) (UPDATE: Suspended 2 Games)

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CrimsonProf said:

I'm convinced the NFL isn't doing enough in this regard.

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Meh, every single one of these guys is a grown man. Maybe not fully mentally developed when they enter the NFL, but a vast majority of guys playing in the NFL have their act together wrt self discipline. IOW, I don't see it as an NFL problem, I see it as a problem on an individual basis. It would behoove teams to identify these guys and make classes / therapy contractually obligated.

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BamaMoon said:

Nah, what it says is that Bama provides an atmosphere and structure that does a wonderful job to stay focused while in schoool. I think some of these guys really miss the structure they had a Bama, but at some point an adult has to learn to structure his/her own life.

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Easier to control them when they don't have six or seven figures sitting in the bank. Controlling yourself with money is a discipline that requires training.

There's a reason some 70% of all lottery winners are bankrupt within seven years.

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crimsonaudio said:

Meh, every single one of these guys is a grown man. Maybe not fully mentally developed when they enter the NFL, but a vast majority of guys playing in the NFL have their act together wrt self discipline. IOW, I don't see it as an NFL problem, I see it as a problem on an individual basis. It would behoove teams to identify these guys and make classes / therapy contractually obligated.

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Yep, at some point these guys have to learn how to "do life" themselves without having training wheels and someone running behind them holding the seat as they go. Those who don't are normally broke and in many cases are wearing an orange onesie with numbers on the back.

Regarding the NFL and their responsibility in this. They already have A LOT of programs available to players for life guidance. I know they really beefed up the rookie symposium several years ago and provide a stellar system for rookies to start off their NFL career on the right foot. I think it may come down to the "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" type thing. The resources have been provided for them and they've been given some great advice. But they are the ones who have to actually apply it.

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I do wonder if a lot of these guys (Rolando and possibly Reuben as well) suffer from some form of mental illness. It appears Johnny Manziel has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and is now on medication to treat it. Good for him, I hope it works and he can become a productive member of society. I hope Reuben follows suit in addressing his issues and gets on the same right path. These guys have too much talent and opportunity to waste it.


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TAKEPRIDE22 said:

Being domestic, if guilty, and probably even if not, I don't think this will end well for him based on how the NFL is looking at these.

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This is what I'm afraid of as well. Many times in our society when we finally decide to correct a problem we go to the same degree of extremes to correct it as we did to allow it. Right now, being associated with DV in the landscape of college and professional sports isn't a good situation and the outcome may very well lead to complete exile.

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Bamabuzzard said:

This is what I'm afraid of as well. Many times in our society when we finally decide to correct a problem we go to the same degree of extremes to correct it as we did to allow it. Right now, being associated with DV in the landscape of college and professional sports isn't a good situation and the outcome may very well lead to complete exile.

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Well, the NFL has specific rules about this stuff now - first time offense for domestic abuse is a six game suspension, for example.

This NFL is not like the NCAA - there are a lot of contracts involved - so they have far less latitude with regards to making things up on the fly than the NCAA does.

Obviously this could make it tough for him to find a team later on, could affect his contract negotiations, etc - but if he gets his act together (assuming these charges even have merit), he'll be fine.

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crimsonaudio said:

Well, the NFL has specific rules about this stuff now - first time offense for domestic abuse is a six game suspension, for example.

This NFL is not like the NCAA - there are a lot of contracts involved - so they have far less latitude with regards to making things up on the fly than the NCAA does.

Obviously this could make it tough for him to find a team later on, could affect his contract negotiations, etc - but if he gets his act together (assuming these charges even have merit), he'll be fine.

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I do hope he gets his act together. Because DV is a smoking hot issue within professional sports (college as well), especially the NFL. It is one of those situations that though you are eligible to play by the NFL. There's enough smoke around your situation that teams stay away from you and you end up on the outside looking in. Again, I REALLY hope Reuben gets his stuff together.

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All the more impressive that Coach Saban can keep these kids in line while in T-Town (for the most part). But, kids like Reuben and McLain -- would be better off in a military type structure -- than in big cities with tons of cash at their disposal..... 3 years isn't enough to change behaviors/tendencies .....

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BamaJama17 said:

I wonder how this stuff was handled 20, 30, 40, 50, and 60, years beyond....it’s not like pro athletes just started to do this stuff in the last 5 years.

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It was ignored.