Big XII wants title game even with just X teams

Crimson1967

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Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby says the league likely will seek permission from the NCAA to hold a championship game even though it doesn't have the 12 members required under the current rules.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12...R0ZXN0A0dyYW5kc2xhbV9Pbl9JbnRlcm5hbA--;_ylv=3

I doubt they'll ask my opinion, but I'd be opposed to this. They need to follow the same rules as everyone else.

I wonder how they'd do the divisions. West Virginia is out there on an island. Maybe throw them in with the Texas schools. But if they still did a nine game round robin schedule, it really wouldn't matter who was in what division.
 

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Why is the rule set at 12 teams, what makes 12 so special? I think a conference should be aloud to have championship game if they want it, regardless of the number of teams in the league. I'm not saying it makes much since to have a championship game if you, say, only have 8 teams in a conference. I'm just saying the conference should be able to decide, not the NCAA. Big 12 has 10 teams, I don't see the problem with them having a conference championship game. What makes 12 so magical in the NCAA's eyes?
 

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There is nothing magical about 12...let them have a game.
Also, the SEC should be able to do away with divisions and have the two best teams play for the championship. That would solve a lot of the scheduling problems.
 

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Why is the rule set at 12 teams, what makes 12 so special? I think a conference should be aloud to have championship game if they want it, regardless of the number of teams in the league. I'm not saying it makes much since to have a championship game if you, say, only have 8 teams in a conference. I'm just saying the conference should be able to decide, not the NCAA. Big 12 has 10 teams, I don't see the problem with them having a conference championship game. What makes 12 so magical in the NCAA's eyes?
Because a ten team league can play a round robin schedule. Which negates the need for a CG. Granted a 12 team league could also play a round robin schedule, but that ain't happening.

BTW, the rule was never intended for 1A. The NCAA almost had a meltdown when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and used the rule for a CG.
 

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From what I recall, the NCAA passed the rule so some Division II league could have a championship game, although I think they never actually played one. Roy Kramer heard about the rule and decided to expand and schedule the game.

The SWAC (an HBCU FCS league) only has ten members but has a championship game despite playing a full nine game schedule. To make it even odder, they do not even participate in the FCS playoffs.
 

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From what I recall, the NCAA passed the rule so some Division II league could have a championship game, although I think they never actually played one. Roy Kramer heard about the rule and decided to expand and schedule the game.

The SWAC (an HBCU FCS league) only has ten members but has a championship game despite playing a full nine game schedule. To make it even odder, they do not even participate in the FCS playoffs.
However, the SWAC plays an 11 game regular season. The CG would be allowed because it is a 12th game and not a 13th game. They could have a Championship weekend if they so chose. 5E vs 5W, 4E vs 4W, 3E vs 3W, 2E vs 2W, and then 1E vs 1W.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/conferences/standings/_/id/31/swac-conference
 
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When did we start counting in Roman Numerals on here...:confused:

Excuse me while I brush up on my skillset.
 

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However, the SWAC plays an 11 game regular season. The CG would be allowed because it is a 12th game and not a 13th game. They could have a Championship weekend if they so chose. 5E vs 5W, 4E vs 4W, 3E vs 3W, 2E vs 2W, and then 1E vs 1W.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/conferences/standings/_/id/31/swac-conference
The SWAC plays 11 games because that is the limit for FCS schools. Though they do play 12 this year due to the extra week in the schedule. (FBS teams get two off weeks instead of just one).

The SWAC plays the game because it brings in more money than they would make by going to the playoffs. "Classic" games like this are a big money maker for HBCU programs.
 

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Simple logic: if you have ten teams and play the other nine, your championship is a GUARANTEED rematch - so much for every game counts.

A stupid idea in a league with a patent on stupid ideas.
 

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Simple logic: if you have ten teams and play the other nine, your championship is a GUARANTEED rematch - so much for every game counts.

A stupid idea in a league with a patent on stupid ideas.
I don't mind the idea of a rematch.

It's unfair for teams like Notre Dame to make it to the BCSCG without playing a championship game. It's a GUARANTEED quality opponent in a league with a bunch of powder puffs.
 

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I don't mind the idea of a rematch.

It's unfair for teams like Notre Dame to make it to the BCSCG without playing a championship game. It's a GUARANTEED quality opponent in a league with a bunch of powder puffs.
So was it unfair for us in 2011?
 

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What has been so great with the SECCG is that rematches are rare. There have been 21 title games and only seven rematches. And 3 of the last 5 have been de facto semi-final games, with the winner advancing to the title.
 

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So was it unfair for us in 2011?
Are you asking about the rematch or Bama advancing?

I didn't have any problem with a rematch.

A lot of people had trouble with a non-conference champion advancing. I didn't, but the difference is the SEC clearly had the two best teams. If the Big 12 never plays a championship game the conference champion has a decided advantage because of less wear and tear on the athletes.
 

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I wouldn't want them to get the special treatment. Every other conference had to play by the rules and now we're going to change them because the Big 12 never could get its act together and lost 4 of its best programs? (Well actually 3 minus Colorado).

No, they should have to add two more teams to get to the required number. I wouldn't mind so much if it weren't for the fact that every other conference had to do it by the rules in place and for the fact that the Big 12 brought this upon itself.
 

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