The board rules prohibit me from posting what I'm thinking right now.They are now saying they are removing ball bearings from victims. So there was shrapnel.
The board rules prohibit me from posting what I'm thinking right now.They are now saying they are removing ball bearings from victims. So there was shrapnel.
I heard that earlier as lead shot being pulled from victims.They are now saying they are removing ball bearings from victims. So there was shrapnel.
If it were BP, there was a copious amount to cause that much damage. Also, there's the problem of ignition. It's hard to get a large amount to ignite simultaneously. Rather than cell phone, I'm thinking of something chemical and slow. Maybe potassium permanganate and glycerin. There would be plenty of time to dump it in a trash container, or in a waste can in the adjacent building and get the hell out. I hope the surveillance cameras show something...If it is black powder, then it's definitely home-grown terrorism. Maybe somebody using black powder as a nod to Patriot's Day. Probably somebody pretty young too.
Thanks '92.....and I think this was the last paragraph:i just read this from Patton Oswald and thought it was nice (i can't post a link because of language in part of it)
So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."
I'll bet you $100 it's not another OK City. How about it? :smile:I wonder if its a 911 or OK City?
Wrong. Impossible to determine that so soon. :smile:No shrapnel = not Al Qaeda trained
There was shrapnel...Wrong. Impossible to determine that so soon. :smile:
The trauma doc said they were picking ball bearings, lead shot and BBs out of the victims...Wrong. Impossible to determine that so soon. :smile:
Almost impossible to have an explosion of that size without it. That's why I responded to Gwlaw with "wrong".The trauma doc said they were picking ball bearings, lead shot and BBs out of the victims...
It'll come out gradually. The black powder hypothesis seems most likely at this point, given the copious white powder and the sulphur smell. It is a puzzle, though. Anyone with an internet connection could come up with something more compact and powerful, ammonium nitrate, for example...Almost impossible to have an explosion of that size without it. That's why I responded to Gwlaw with "wrong".
Plus the last thing we need to do is jump to any sort of conclusion. IMO
I was going off the quoted passage indicating that no shrapnel was found in the third unexploded device.Almost impossible to have an explosion of that size without it. That's why I responded to Gwlaw with "wrong".
Plus the last thing we need to do is jump to any sort of conclusion. IMO
Listened again to Fagenholz again and he said that it was impossible to determine the origin of the shrapnel yet. I listened to other reports today about the characterization of the shrapnel, but you're right, the truth will eventually trickle out...Almost impossible to have an explosion of that size without it. That's why I responded to Gwlaw with "wrong".
Plus the last thing we need to do is jump to any sort of conclusion. IMO
shhhhhhhhhhhh!!Anyone with an internet connection could come up with something more compact and powerful, ammonium nitrate, for example...
No way to know until later, but the white smoke/sulphur smell just seems to point to black powder. If that proves out, I just don't see anything other than (amateur) domestic terrorism. Anyone can come up with carbon, potassium nitrate and sulphur. Meth would be harder.* I'm very curious to see where this investigation leads...I was going off the quoted passage indicating that no shrapnel was found in the third unexploded device.
I stand by my statement (and the training that led me to it) that you will not find an explosive device of this nature from an Al Qaeda trained operative without shrapnel, unless it was some sort of multi-stage dump and the shrapnel guy didn't make it - but it didn't sound to be the case from the found device.
TiderGWlaw, I want you to PM me next time you're in this area (Hoover/Promised Land) so I can buy you a beer and we can argue/discuss in person!I was going off the quoted passage indicating that no shrapnel was found in the third unexploded device.
I stand by my statement (and the training that led me to it) that you will not find an explosive device of this nature from an Al Qaeda trained operative without shrapnel, unless it was some sort of multi-stage dump and the shrapnel guy didn't make it - but it didn't sound to be the case from the found device.
I wasn't referring to incidental shrapnel but intentional shrapnel - e.g., placing the explosive device in a duffel bag of nails, as you would see in an anti-personnel IED from experienced bomb-makers.Almost impossible to have an explosion of that size without it. That's why I responded to Gwlaw with "wrong".
Plus the last thing we need to do is jump to any sort of conclusion. IMO
I just enjoy playing detective and attempting to resurrect knowledge I'd suspected was lost.TiderGWlaw, I want you to PM me next time you're in this area (Hoover/Promised Land) so I can buy you a beer and we can argue/discuss in person!
The reports are in conflict to this point. There may have been intentional shrapnel or it may just be incidental from the containers the bombs were deposited in, but there was shrapnel. I still can't imagine a semi-pro terrorist using black powder, so I'm equally interested in that. I understand they are questioning a Saudi on a student visa who was seen running from the scene...I wasn't referring to incidental shrapnel but intentional shrapnel - e.g., placing the explosive device in a duffel bag of nails, as you would see in an anti-personnel IED from experienced bomb-makers.
Ball bearings are a common choice, as more fit in a very compact space, though they aren't the most destructive choice.