Do Aggies run a Run and Shoot offense?
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Yup..And isn't what Kliff Kingbury runs at Texas Tech like a "Run & Shoot" type offense???..
I am not sure what he is running at TT, but he ran an up tempo spread before this. Run and shoot relies on WR motion to create confusion and mismatches. The type of offense that he ran with Sumlin didn't do that.
Also, the biggest difference is in receiver route running. In the run and shoot, the receivers have set routes but are encouraged to alter their routes on any play to take advantage of a hole in the defense. Sumlin's offense does not do that until/unless a play breaks down and Manziel scrambles (all offenses do that in that situation).
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Basically it is the Mumme/Leach/Franklin offense but with more formation variation and motions. Leach is the truest to the old Kentucky Air Raid of the late 1990s: very little motion presnap and a small set of formations where they run 7-10 plays that build off each other. Holgerson's variation is far more formation multiple and does some things with the OL to mesh in the read option and sweeps into the air raid concept. Leach teams are likely to have their OL in 2-point almost every snap which limits their run game to traps and draws. Holgerson's variation seems to switch around more often to give their linemen the ability to drive block when needed.
I found this forum talking abut the R & S Offense, some really good info about the offense, if ya have soe spare time, read aboutit on this forum..Really goof info..
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And here's a really good video of the "Run & Shoot" concepts in action..Is it me or do we run a good bit of those plays & pass patterns in this video???..Cause that looks like part of our offense..I could be wrong(wouldn't be the first time or last time I get something wrong..LOL)
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And here's a really good video of the "Run & Shoot" concepts in action..Is it me or do we run a good bit of those plays & pass patterns in this video???..Cause that looks like part of our offense..I could be wrong(wouldn't be the first time or last time I get something wrong..LOL)
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The run and shoot is the grandaddy of all these modern pass happy offenses. Each offense picks a small nuance of that offense and builds on it. Most one back offenses would have some run and shoot principles in their route running, to be sure. The dimension our offense adds is that the very next play we will line up in the I formation, motion the second tight end over, and shove TJ Yeldon down your throat with Fowler leading the way. Most run and shoot offenses couldn't do that.
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The run and shoot offense was developed by "Mouse" Davis...who taught it to June Jones in Portland, Oregon. The reason I know this is that said Davis was my football coach (not that I played a lot @ 155 lbs and slow) in the late 60's and he developed this in HS. He took a young man who was very smart and some what athletic, but could not throw more than 30 yds, and made him an all state QB in 1 summer. Routes were usually under 15 yes...teams had no idea what to do with us. It was quite a change from the Alabama football I had known growing up.
Biggest difference between the 'Shoot and the Air Raid variant that TAMU runs is that the true 'Shoot is exclusively a four-wide formation offense. A true Run and Shoot will always line up with four wides, either 2 x 2 or 1 x 3. No tight ends or fullbacks whatsoever. And as others have mentioned, there are a lot of "option" routes that give the wideouts freelance ability. The original offense always featured the QB taking a sort of half-roll from under center, but the modern variant is mostly run from the shotgun or pistol with typical drop-back passing.
At the FBS level, June Jones at SMU is the only coach I know of that still uses the 'Shoot, and his version has morphed considerably over the years. There are a handful of teams that incorporate some 'Shoot principles...ironically enough, one of them is Georgia Tech - a flex option team. Their base "flex" formation from under center is basically the original Run and Shoot formation, with two wides and two "wingbacks" set up 2 x 2. Paul Johnson has been on record saying that they run some 'Shoot concepts, and if you watch cut-ups of Tech's passing plays they are very reminiscent of the original offense.
At the FBS level, June Jones at SMU is the only coach I know of that still uses the 'Shoot, and his version has morphed considerably over the years. There are a handful of teams that incorporate some 'Shoot principles...ironically enough, one of them is Georgia Tech - a flex option team. Their base "flex" formation from under center is basically the original Run and Shoot formation, with two wides and two "wingbacks" set up 2 x 2. Paul Johnson has been on record saying that they run some 'Shoot concepts, and if you watch cut-ups of Tech's passing plays they are very reminiscent of the original offense.
Good write up about the Spread. Sumlin took over Art Brile's Houston program, and I don't think he changed much. Took the offense to Aggie and made an average team into winners overnight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_offense
I think it is an offense ideal to his skill set though. The spread and tempo make it difficult to handle his escapability. Logan Thomas is physically similar to Tim Tebow but that VT offense has never put him in a position to make the plays Tebow did at Florida.
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