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If the cost is equally distributed then let's talk. We have enough financial issues that we don't need to bail the world.
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I agree that we shouldn’t pay for it all, but It is an issue that needs US leadership. We are the dominant player in the system that led to this. We need to throw some weight around and help set standards for other countries or the problem will only get worse. We can’t run from the issue. We do live on the same planet, and this is the only country with the true power effect change. People like to talk about our trade deficit with China, but one of the things that allows them to produce so cheaply is the fact that they basically get to pollute at will. And then who buys it all? We do. We have offshored a lot of our pollution, but that doesn’t mean we are free from responsibility.
 
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He cannot or Congress, who establishes the budget cannot?
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Then let's agree to say it's the policy GOP as a whole, since Congress passes the bill and Trump signs it.

And Tardis hit the nail on the head. The fate of the this planet's warming climate will not respect political borders. It's folly to claim that China's pollution only affects the Chinese, or American pollution only impacts our future. This is a global threat that we will either overcome together, or not at all.
 
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CharminTide said:
Then let's agree to say it's the policy GOP as a whole, since Congress passes the bill and Trump signs it.

And Tardis hit the nail on the head. The fate of the this planet's warming climate will not respect political borders. It's folly to claim that China's pollution only affects the Chinese, or American pollution only impacts our future. This is a global threat that we will either overcome together, or not at all.
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I'm open to suggestions.
 
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New Dehli says "Happy New Year" btw.

http://www.india.com/news/india/delhi-ncr-begins-new-year-with-severe-levels-of-pollution-2823379/



Article on China (CNN) - Nov. 27.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/27/news/economy/china-crackdown-pollution-economy/index.html

The efforts are on full display in Beijing and nearby areas in the country's industrial heartland, which have been among the hardest hit by air pollution. The capital and cities in its orbit have been tasked with slashing harmful air pollutants by 25% before the end of the year.

China has put inspection teams to work across the region in an attempt to curb production at the most glaring rule violators. Some 180,000 companies are expected to be hit, according to Societe Generale figures.
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Well, looks like those jobs will be moving to Mexico.
 
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Ouch.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/...ed-32-months-fraud-says-lying-was-f2D11768995
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He perpetrated his fraud largely by failing to show up at the EPA for months at a time, including one 18-month stretch starting in June 2011 when he did “absolutely no work,” as his lawyer acknowledged in a sentencing memo filed last week.
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I'm shocked that somebody employed by the government would get away doing absolutely no work for 18 months. Slacker, there are thousands who have been doing that for years.
 
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North Pole temp surges above freezing stunning scientists. Ouch.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ter-stunning-scientists/ar-BBJCSJu?li=BBnb7Kz

Temperatures may have soared as high as 35 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius) at the pole, according to the U.S. Global Forecast System model. While there are no direct measurements of temperature there, Zack Labe, a climate scientist working on his PhD at the University of California at Irvine, confirmed that several independent analyses showed “it was very close to freezing,” which is more than 50 degrees (30 degrees Celsius) above normal.
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Study: Global warming is weakening key ocean circulation

WASHINGTON (AP) — Global warming is likely slowing the main Atlantic Ocean circulation, which has plunged to its weakest level on record, according to a new study.

The slowdown in the circulation — a crucial part of Earth’s climate — had been predicted by computer models, but researchers said they can now observe it. It could make for more extreme weather across the Northern Hemisphere, especially Europe, and could increase sea level rise along the U.S. East Coast, they said.

The slowdown also raises the prospect of a complete circulation shutdown, which would be a dangerous “tipping point,” according to a study in Wednesday’s journal Nature .

“We know somewhere out there is a tipping point where this current system is likely to break down,” said study co-author Stefan Rahmstorf, a climate scientist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. “We still don’t know how far away or close to this tipping point we might be. ... This is uncharted territory.”

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, called AMOC, is a key conveyor belt for ocean water and air, creating weather. Warm salty water moves north from the tropics along the Gulf Stream off the U.S. East Coast to the North Atlantic, where it cools, sinks and heads south. The faster it moves, the more water is turned over from warm surface to cool depths.

“This overturning circulation redistributes heat on our planet,” said study lead author Levke Caesar, a physicist at the Potsdam Institute. “It brings heat from the tropics to the high latitudes.”
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Re: Study: Global warming is weakening key ocean circulation

shell and exxon knew in the 80's what would happen and publicly denied knowing for decades while also funding public "research" to confuse and obfuscate the public

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...d-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

In the 1980s, oil companies like Exxon and Shell carried out internal assessments of the carbon dioxide released by fossil fuels, and forecast the planetary consequences of these emissions. In 1982, for example, Exxon predicted that by about 2060, CO2 levels would reach around 560 parts per million – double the preindustrial level – and that this would push the planet’s average temperatures up by about 2°C over then-current levels (and even more compared to pre-industrial levels).

Later that decade, in 1988, an internal report by Shell projected similar effects but also found that CO2 could double even earlier, by 2030. Privately, these companies did not dispute the links between their products, global warming, and ecological calamity. On the contrary, their research confirmed the connections.
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Re: Study: Global warming is weakening key ocean circulation

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Aquaculture provides seafood in a warming world. But this global industry is taking a staple called sardinella from the mouths of people who need it the most.
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Satellite data indicate that the waters off northern Senegal and Mauritania are warming faster than any other part of the equator-girdling belt called the tropical convergence zone, once known to sailors simply as the “doldrums.” This hidden-from-view climate change has had an ominous impact: A new study by researchers at the Marseille-based institute IRD-France found that the rising temperatures have pushed sardinella an average of 200 miles north since 1995.
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There was a reply from scientists who adjusted some of the temperatures; the explanation given was changing landscape due to growth in the environment (trees, glaciers/ice building/shifting) which was affecting accurate temperature readings.
But don’t sell this to the deniers - they’d never believe that you could plant a temperature reading device, leave it for 20 years and return to find it covered in flora or residing in shade. They would say it would still give accurate temperature readings.
That’s why they aren’t scientists and criticize those who are.
I can’t speak globally; I can speak to the fact that every local meteorologist in my area agrees that out of the five highest average temperatures in my area (in recorded history), four of them have occurred in the last twelve years and all five have occurred since 1985 (IIRC). It’s the rate of change, not the change itself.
But - but - it’s all a plot for someone to get rich. Someone is getting rich denying it (for now), so I guess it depends on whose side you’re on.


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