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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    Gus needs a qb who can:

    1. run
    2. throw
    3. run zone read to make the defense pause to see if the qb is going to run, hand off or pass

    JJ doesn't fit the mold...ironically Nick Marshall was a master with the zone read...so good his "average" passing skills were good enough because his receivers were often "wide open."
    Well I think every Coach would like a QB that can run and throw...LOL

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by bamablood6 View Post
    Well I think every Coach would like a QB that can run and throw...LOL
    Yes, but how many can you name who are/have been very good at both...really?

    Steve Young from several years ago comes to mind.
    Michael Vick
    Tim Tebow - especially in college
    Cam Newton
    Johnny Football

    They sure don't grow on trees.

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    Yes, but how many can you name who are/have been very good at both...really?

    Steve Young from several years ago comes to mind.
    Michael Vick
    Tim Tebow - especially in college
    Cam Newton
    Johnny Football

    They sure don't grow on trees.
    Randall Cunningham pre-injury
    Charlie Ward
    Didn't Troy Aikman run the wishbone at OU before he got hurt? (Idk - I'm really asking).

    But yeah not many.
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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    Yes, but how many can you name who are/have been very good at both...really?

    Steve Young from several years ago comes to mind.
    Michael Vick
    Tim Tebow - especially in college
    Cam Newton
    Johnny Football

    They sure don't grow on trees.
    They don't grow on trees. But especially in college, and most especially with the 3-yard downfield rule for OL, they now have to be first a runner. Secondarily, they don't have to be a great, or even good, passer. They have to be only a credible threat to pass. Like Nick Marshall, and like the current Tennessee QB whose name escapes me at the moment.

    You roll out the QB, he gets a good head of steam up, the OL is 3 (or 5) yards downfield. The DB not only doesn't know, but can't possibly know, whether to come up in run support or stay back in pass coverage. It's Jordan Hare in 2013, except now it's all day long.

    Given Urban Meyer as offensive coordinator and QB coach (and regardless of who held what title, that's what he was), if Tim Tebow had had the 3-yd rule, he'd have set records that would stand for decades. I'd also say that UM would still be at Florida, because he never would have had the meltdown, because while we might have beaten them in 2009, but we wouldn't have unmasked them.

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Randall Cunningham pre-injury
    Charlie Ward
    Didn't Troy Aikman run the wishbone at OU before he got hurt? (Idk - I'm really asking).

    But yeah not many.
    Aikman did run the wishbone at OU. After his injury, Hollaway took over as QB. Troy transferred to UCLA.
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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Randall Cunningham pre-injury
    Charlie Ward
    Didn't Troy Aikman run the wishbone at OU before he got hurt? (Idk - I'm really asking).

    But yeah not many.
    His first year as starter at OU they ran some sort of pro set on offense until he got injured and lost for the season, '85. They then went back to the 'bone with him out.

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by PitMaster View Post
    This team has drastically underachieved so far - not that they were true playoff contenders to begin with.....

    ...Bama may win the NC, though it is going to be very difficult. We may make the playoffs. BUT I feel INFINITELY better about OUR Team, Players, Coaches, and their direction and purpose, than what I would feel if I was an aub taking that group down to Baton Rouge, and then beyond...
    If????
    With all the attention to the happenings down in Lee County, I'm pretty sure you are.
    Regardless, here's a quarter:


    Call someone who cares.

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Reb View Post
    If????
    With all the attention to the happenings down in Lee County, I'm pretty sure you are.
    Regardless, here's a quarter:


    Call someone who cares.
    Hehehe...pretty funny!

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaMoon View Post
    Yes, but how many can you name who are/have been very good at both...really?

    Steve Young from several years ago comes to mind.
    Michael Vick
    Tim Tebow - especially in college
    Cam Newton
    Johnny Football

    They sure don't grow on trees.
    Nick Marshall ran that offense pretty well himself the last 2 years.

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    But once Gus's dog and pony show runs its course, it's 8-5 every year, which is what I've been saying before. Keep in mind that his last year as OC at Auburn, he got zippo against us.
    Yeah, no one's touched on that. Who do you think was in charge of the players on that offense, both on and off the field, in those years? Do you think it was the strong leader Gene Chizik? I doubt it. I loved watching CGC go ask CGM on the sideline what they were going to do in a given situation.

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    Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    They're 2-0.

    Doesn't matter how it looks, they're 2-0. We're past the point of style wins. Just win. If Jeremy Johnson throws 3 picks in every game they have remaining but they still find a way to win the game, it's all the same.

    The SEC will have ONE team in the playoffs. Not two. Not zero. Just one. And there's a 99% chance that that one is the conference champion. If they can keep playing poorly and still win, then it doesn't matter how they look doing it. They are getting laughed at, but I can assure you every P5 team with a loss already would gladly swap places with them
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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by bamamc1 View Post
    Nick Marshall ran that offense pretty well himself the last 2 years.
    Basically the point, even though he was not a great passer (like those mentioned above) he was good enough with the execution of the zone read to make Gus' trickeration work.

    But he's not truly a great dual threat runner and passer at the elite passing level.

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    Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains"

    Quote Originally Posted by WMack4Bama View Post
    They're 2-0
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