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Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
Um, no. You can't say you revere trees when your collective actions have been killing them. Slow, fast, whatever. It's just a fact. The corrected analogy is accurate.
I, and every other Bama fan I know, have said that Harvey killed the trees. You, and many Auburn fans, want to ignore how damaging to the trees Auburn tradition is.
I've never been sentimental about toilet paper, although I do have a preference for two-ply. As for trees, I don't spend my time throwing things at them, cutting their roots, setting them on fire, or power washing them. We must have different definitions of "sentimental." I'm more of a live-and-let-live kind of guy.
By national perspective you mean uneducated opinions from afar? Considering other fan bases are naturally hostile to any but their own, and that Bama is far more successful, and that many people don't even know where Auburn is, I have no doubt that more people are jealous of Bama than of Auburn. Jealousy breeds hatred and bigotry. I don't value the opinions of haters and bigots.
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Look, I can't stand Awbarn! I want them to lose every game they play in every sport they play.........I don't apologize for it and I wouldn't expect anything less from the fans that support the Barn. That being said, what Updyke did was a crime and he was convicted. There's no way to spin it to make it less of a crime. The fact that the trees were dying is totally irrelevant!! Do you think that Updyke knew the trees were dying and he was just putting them out of their misery? No! And as a matter of fact, how many of us actually knew those trees were dying?? I didn't.
So, technically we are all dying..........since I consume more alcohol than I should or some people smoke, that makes it less of a crime to kill those people?? Come on man!! It doesn't matter if the trees were going to die or not. Rolling the trees is part of their culture (as messed up as I think it is!), and there's no way to spin it and make what he did less of a crime.
Rant over! RTR
Can we please get the football season started again.......I'm already suffering withdrawals!!
Look, I can't stand Awbarn! I want them to lose every game they play in every sport they play.........I don't apologize for it and I wouldn't expect anything less from the fans that support the Barn. That being said, what Updyke did was a crime and he was convicted. There's no way to spin it to make it less of a crime. The fact that the trees were dying is totally irrelevant!! Do you think that Updyke knew the trees were dying and he was just putting them out of their misery? No! And as a matter of fact, how many of us actually knew those trees were dying?? I didn't.
So, technically we are all dying..........since I consume more alcohol than I should or some people smoke, that makes it less of a crime to kill those people?? Come on man!! It doesn't matter if the trees were going to die or not. Rolling the trees is part of their culture (as messed up as I think it is!), and there's no way to spin it and make what he did less of a crime.
Rant over! RTR
Can we please get the football season started again.......I'm already suffering withdrawals!!
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
I would just like other facts to be acknowledged as well. I have a AU BIL who refuses to admit that Auburn tradition was slowly killing their precious trees. He still regularly wails about how "Alabama murdered our sacred trees." Venture on an Auburn message board and you'll read the same. My BIL doesn't get a pass from me to selectively recall history. I hold everyone else to the same standard.
Who said what Harvey did was not a crime? I have repeatedly said that Harvey killed the trees. I'm not aware of anyone claiming otherwise. That's a simple fact, and Harvey could not be punished enough IMO. Releasing poison into that environment is incredibly stupid and dangerous.
I would just like other facts to be acknowledged as well. I have a AU BIL who refuses to admit that Auburn tradition was slowly killing their precious trees. He still regularly wails about how "Alabama murdered our sacred trees." Venture on an Auburn message board and you'll read the same. My BIL doesn't get a pass from me to selectively recall history. I hold everyone else to the same standard.
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Thanks Bodhi for having the guts to bring the facts to light.
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
I don't think it's minimizing what Updyke did (SEE, I AM saying he did it, just like I did before) to say that the trees were already dying for any number of reasons outlined ad nauseam.
And, it wouldn't be the first time that tradition and sentimentality have been destructive. That's kind of a common phenomenon.
This, all day. And nothing I or MOST posters on this board are saying would be disputed by Auburn's own research into the matter.
I don't think it's minimizing what Updyke did (SEE, I AM saying he did it, just like I did before) to say that the trees were already dying for any number of reasons outlined ad nauseam.
And, it wouldn't be the first time that tradition and sentimentality have been destructive. That's kind of a common phenomenon.
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
Yep! I'll 2nd what you said about that Updike guy. However, the celebrating of mediocrity by throwing paper in those trees probably did more harm than that Harvey did.
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
Please don't compliment Bodhi or like his posts. Goes right to his head.
I do think rolling the trees is dumb. Environmentally it is dumb as Hades. Time for it to come to an end.
Please don't compliment Bodhi or like his posts. Goes right to his head.
I do think rolling the trees is dumb. Environmentally it is dumb as Hades. Time for it to come to an end.
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
You've interacted with me enough in non sports to know I'm all about conservation, but for a given winning season I'd be surprised if AU used any more wood than what you would use to fuel one good sized bonfire. Not exactly clear cutting large swaths of forest to feed the beast.
Your average tree farmed for the purpose yields around 100 lbs of TP. The average American uses 50 lbs per year. The the majority of toilet paper tossed after the games is recycled non-acidic tp sold in downtown Auburn. You know, that cheap 1 ply industrial stuff which is usually produced from recycled paper and sawdust scraps from lumber mills, using very little virgin lumber. The lack of acidity also means the trees aren't distressed by the rolling. It's the removal that was unhealthy for them.
You've interacted with me enough in non sports to know I'm all about conservation, but for a given winning season I'd be surprised if AU used any more wood than what you would use to fuel one good sized bonfire. Not exactly clear cutting large swaths of forest to feed the beast.
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Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
He dumped a high powered herbicide directly on them in a dose capable of killing them many times over. As harmful as the removal process was, there's really no comparison there.
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
More like the Hatfields and McCoys
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
AUDub disagreed with me!! Ban his sorry Auburn butt!! Teaching young people to throw crap all over the place and having others clean it up is not a good thing.
This is an appropriate use of toilet paper.
AUDub disagreed with me!! Ban his sorry Auburn butt!! Teaching young people to throw crap all over the place and having others clean it up is not a good thing.
This is an appropriate use of toilet paper.
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
More like the Hatfields and McCoys
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
Too Late for Toomers Trees
Interesting how this one has been removed from Auburn sites, when they in fact published the article.
Too Late for Toomers Trees
Interesting how this one has been removed from Auburn sites, when they in fact published the article.
Re: Plain Trouble on "Da Plains" (all AU posts here)
Give the young'uns more credit than that.
AUDub disagreed with me!! Ban his sorry Auburn butt!! Teaching young people to throw crap all over the place and having others clean it up is not a good thing.
This is an appropriate use of toilet paper.
Give the young'uns more credit than that.
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