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    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    that mentality will be hard to maintain when espn and others are camped out in clemson all off-season talking superlatives about clemson and watson.
    He'll figure something out. Maybe he'll just buckle down and learn to coach from the lead, though that's a tough position t be in for very long.

    Dabo's done a good job at Clemson, and while they play a tougher schedule than BSu, I'm reminded of how Petersen suddenly looks mortal having left Boise. I'm still not convinced Dabo's an elite coach.
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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

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    True. We've finally managed to handle that, but it's not easy...
    i have to believe that this factor (along with injuries) played a big part in our 2010 season outcome.
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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    that mentality will be hard to maintain when espn and others are camped out in clemson all off-season talking superlatives about clemson and watson.
    True. We've finally managed to handle that, but it's not easy...
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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    For everyone so enamored of Dabo let me state the following:

    Gene Chizik + Scam Newton = Great Team
    Dabo Swinney + Deshaun Watson = Great Team

    Let's see how good they are once DW is gone. DW's performance was about 75% of that team on Monday. Without him they would have gotten DRILLED!

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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    True, but it was inevitable, considering that the "Dabo to Bama" theme is constant. I agree with CA. Let's see how he does for a few years without superman at QB, and we'll know then how he rates as a coach.
    3 years prior to Deshaun Watson (2011-2013) he was 32-8 with a blow out loss in the Orange to West Virginia, a win over LSU in the Chickfila, and a win over undefeated Ohio State in the Orange.

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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Im_on_dsp View Post

    Let's see how good they are once DW is gone. DW's performance was about 75% of that team on Monday. Without him they would have gotten DRILLED!
    And we would have gotten drilled if our QB play sucked or we didn't have the Heisman Trophy winner. That's championship football played at a high level.

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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    Comparing Dabo's win - loss record with anyone in the SEC is totally unfair. The ACC is the ACC. Heck he should run the table every year...But he won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    That's my point, though. He's used it every year. It makes one believe he doesn't know anything else.
    Yeah, I get your point and I should have explained my point better. It's working for him at Clemson so why would he change it. It was mention above that he will more than likely be ranked #1 at the start of next season so we'll see how he handles it.

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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    Quote Originally Posted by alwayshavebeen View Post
    Comparing Dabo's win - loss record with anyone in the SEC is totally unfair. The ACC is the ACC. Heck he should run the table every year...But he won't.
    So he should be expected to bear Fla St. every year? Glad your not my boss...

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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    My attitude has not shifted. I think he is a good, maybe even great coach, and like others I am not a big fan of his personality. I thought Saban was a great coach, a total jerk, and was not a fan of his personality (for different reasons) before he came to Alabama. I have obviously seen a different side of him since then.

    There is no way I am going to worry about who may or may not replace Coach Saban until that day comes.

    As for whether or not his success is only tied to Watson, I always think that is unfair. Every coach win/loss success is always tied to their players. Sometimes a single player has a larger impact, but he did coach them. Take Chizik as an example. Laying it all on Cam (even though he was a dominant player) doesn't take into account how good their OL was and Nick Fairley trying to and sometimes succeeding in crippling everyone he tackled. He lost a different team and got fired for it.

    We will see if he can recruit enough great players sustain a program. So far he has proven he can sustain at a high level, just not at a championship level.
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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    Quote Originally Posted by mittman View Post
    My attitude has not shifted. I think he is a good, maybe even great coach, and like others I am not a big fan of his personality. I thought Saban was a great coach, a total jerk, and was not a fan of his personality (for different reasons) before he came to Alabama. I have obviously seen a different side of him since then.

    There is no way I am going to worry about who may or may not replace Coach Saban until that day comes.

    As for whether or not his success is only tied to Watson, I always think that is unfair. Every coach win/loss success is always tied to their players. Sometimes a single player has a larger impact, but he did coach them. Take Chizik as an example. Laying it all on Cam (even though he was a doesn't take into account how good their OL was and Nick Fairley trying to and sometimes succeeding in crippling everyone he tackled. He lost a different team and got fired for it.

    We will see if he can recruit enough great players sustain a program. So far he has proven he can sustain at a high level, just not at a championship level.
    According to this article, that won't be any time soon, as long as CNS' health holds out. Saban has made the same remark about being nothing without his players. OTOH, I do think it's fair to take into account super players and the schedule, when judging a head coach...

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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    According to this article, that won't be any time soon, as long as CNS' health holds out. Saban has made the same remark about being nothing without his players. OTOH, I do think it's fair to take into account super players and the schedule, when judging a head coach...

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    I do think it is fair to take it into account, but making it the whole of the argument IMO is never fair. We tend to do that.

    There are a lot of good players on that Clemson team. Watson obviously is dominant and a big part of the success. Swinney will have to replace and develop someone else when he is gone. Whether he can has to be taken into account. If I left the impression that it wasn't part of the equation when judging a coaches success, I did not intend to. My problem is more with the weight we tend apply for that factor.

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    Re: Attitude Shifts About Dabo?

    One thing I've learned, Bama fans don't want to give anybody other than Bama credit for anything. The world isn't flat anymore. Carry on.
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