Obvious follow up, please expound...Just a reminder: ole miss recruiting didn't take off until Dickie Scruggs got out of federal prison.
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Obvious follow up, please expound...Just a reminder: ole miss recruiting didn't take off until Dickie Scruggs got out of federal prison.
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I dunno what to think about Coach Freeze recruiting at Ole Miss..There's historically always been shady recruiting at Ole Miss, but, I think Coach Freeze can just flat out recruit myself..We keep saying that. Everyone (or just about ) seems convicted in the belief that it`s so. Unless there`s substantive evidence of money changing hands, it smacks of sour grapes with no more credence than what barn people or other fan bases say about us and the REC. Mind you, I`m not saying it`s not true. I would just be interested in knowing what the final results are in our head to head competition for recruits.
As hard as it is to accept, not everybody wants to play at Alabama, and some kids actually grow up dreaming about playing for the home-state school.Makes perfect sense.
OK, fine. Show us the evidence. You may certainly be correct. But until it`s presented, those who throw around the Ole Mi$$ moniker are in the same boat as the fans of other schools who accuse us of exactly the same thing. I`m as frustrated as anyone. And believe it or not, I ask the same questions as everyone else. I just haven`t seen the proof of what many seem so obviously convinced.That's a load of crap. It's going on and it is obvious. You can say what ever the heck you want, but this isn't a court of law. We don't need the bag man to point out the obvious.
Let me give an example, it's like a woman choosing Charlie Sheen over George Clooney. Now, if it happened once or twice you could go hmm that's interesting. It keeps happening? You start to say hey, there's got to be something going on. There's got to be something going on, period.
You are seemingly ignoring who committed to them, when, and how. The more you follow recruiting, the more obvious it is. They have landed guys they have absolutely no business landing, for otherwise inexplicable reasons. Usually you get a feel for where a guy is leaning, Ole Miss started getting guys that seemingly didn't even know who Ole Miss was a short while before their committing. Once again, you look at it once, or twice and you go oh.... well that's interesting. They do is several times in a row? You reach the obvious conclusion, the conclusion almost anyone would easily reach as well. It's common sense at this point that they are enticing players with something other than their mediocre program and mediocre coach.
Rivals top 5, which of these is not like the others:
Ohio State (5)
LSU (9)
Ole Miss (41)
Notre Dame (2)
Michigan (6)
I put the all time rankings next to the program to make the obvious all that much more clear. And, mind you... this is not the first time Ole Miss has done it, it just happens to be a more organized effort than the last time. The last time they made a big uhh "recruiting push", it was their best class ever. This will eclipse that. Both happened under similar circumstances...
Edit: I'll add one last thing. It has been mentioned before, but the Ole Miss campus might be the most toxic in the SEC for recruiting. First, it's in Mississippi, and second they love the rebel flag, which wouldn't exactly endear them to potential recruits. It's just as well that some of the recruits seem indifferent to the campus. The point though, is that Ole Miss was never, ever, good at recruiting for obvious reasons. Now, all of the sudden, you put together a coach who isn't a good recruiter and a school that doesn't recruit well and you're beating Saban and Alabama head to head consistently??? Yeah... alright, sour grapes is your explanation.
That`s definitely indisputable.At either rate, dipping into Mississippi has gotten tougher on LSU and Alabama the last few years.
This isn't a court of law. Either you have common sense or you don't, I can't give it to you. There is a multitude of circumstantial evidence though, more than enough for any rational individual to draw the obvious conclusion.OK, fine. Show us the evidence.
Top 3 from the 2013 class:As hard as it is to accept, not everybody wants to play at Alabama, and some kids actually grow up dreaming about playing for the home-state school.
Scruggs is a real life :Rainmaker"? The plot thickens, yet clears at the same time
OK, you win. Since Ole Miss`s cheating is so obvious that "any rational individual " should be able to draw an "obvious conclusion" that it`s occurring, are we all simply doomed to wallow in abject frustration as nothing is done about it?This isn't a court of law. Either you have common sense or you don't, I can't give it to you. There is a multitude of circumstantial evidence though, more than enough for any rational individual to draw the obvious conclusion.
Top 3 from the 2013 class:
Robert Nkemdiche Loganville, GA 5 Star
Laremy Tunsil OL Lake City, FL 5 Star
Laquon Treadwell WR Crete, IL 5 Star
None of those guys grew up dreaming about playing for Ole Miss. All of those guys declared for the draft first chance they got. Is this year any different? Here's the 5 stars:
Gregory Little OL Allen, TX 5 Star
Shea Patterson QB Bradenton, FL 5 Star
You kind of proved the point with what you said though, because Ole Miss is building their classes around guys who for the most part have no reason to want to be there.
Krazy, to be fair here you must acknowledge two things -This isn't a court of law. Either you have common sense or you don't, I can't give it to you. There is a multitude of circumstantial evidence though, more than enough for any rational individual to draw the obvious conclusion.
Top 3 from the 2013 class:
Robert Nkemdiche DE Loganville, GA (362 miles away) 5 Star
Laremy Tunsil OL Lake City, FL (586 miles away) 5 Star
Laquon Treadwell WR Crete, IL (589 miles away) 5 Star
None of those guys grew up dreaming about playing for Ole Miss. All of those guys declared for the draft first chance they got. Is this year any different? Here's the 5 stars:
Gregory Little OL Allen, TX (527 miles away) 5 Star
Shea Patterson QB Bradenton, FL (792 miles away) 5 Star
You kind of proved the point with what you said though, because Ole Miss is building their classes around guys who for the most part have no other obvious reason to want to be there.
I'd go a step further. Conner was from Mississippi, and Robert's brother played for Ole Miss. It isn't that I think every single recruit for Ole Miss is dirty, or that I think they all had to be bought. It is just that there's way too much stuff going on for it all to be legit. That's all. Also, to what Tideflyer said, I'm not really that frustrated. I'm just saying what's going on. If I tell you that there's a political agenda behind a speech made by a politician, it doesn't mean I'm sitting here stewing over it, I'm just pointing it out. What annoys me though, is that some people want us to pretend we don't see what's going on. We do though. I'm not going to lie about it.Krazy, to be fair here you must acknowledge two things -
Patterson is from Louisiana and transferred to IMG Academy (sports academy) for his senior year.
Ole Miss hired Patterson's older brother away from LSU, which made them the immediate favorite to sign Shea.
This isn't a court of law. Either you have common sense or you don't, I can't give it to you. There is a multitude of circumstantial evidence though, more than enough for any rational individual to draw the obvious conclusion.
Top 3 from the 2013 class:
Robert Nkemdiche DE Loganville, GA (362 miles away) 5 Star
Laremy Tunsil OL Lake City, FL (586 miles away) 5 Star
Laquon Treadwell WR Crete, IL (589 miles away) 5 Star
None of those guys grew up dreaming about playing for Ole Miss. All of those guys declared for the draft first chance they got. Is this year any different? Here's the 5 stars:
Gregory Little OL Allen, TX (527 miles away) 5 Star
Shea Patterson QB Bradenton, FL (792 miles away) 5 Star
You kind of proved the point with what you said though, because Ole Miss is building their classes around guys who for the most part have no other obvious reason to want to be there.
OK, fine. Show us the evidence. You may certainly be correct. But until it`s presented, those who throw around the Ole Mi$$ moniker are in the same boat as the fans of other schools who accuse us of exactly the same thing. I`m as frustrated as anyone. And believe it or not, I ask the same questions as everyone else. I just haven`t seen the proof of what many seem so obviously convinced.
Nkemdiche was a lock to Ole Miss from the time his brother signed there. His parents, especially mom, made it clear she wanted the sons playing together, even if her favorite school was Alabama.
Tunsil's girlfriend got a scholarship. We were accused of using a girlfriend to land a certain safety out of New Orleans a few years back.
On Patterson, why wouldn't a stud quarterback not want to play for Freeze when that position does everything for a dynamic offense? By the way, he's from LA, not Florida. Gee, given how LSU develops QBs, why wouldn't he want to go there? Must be because Ole Miss paid him.
Maybe they're cheating or maybe Freeze is good at what he does. I don't really care.
But given everything we've accomplished, given how far we've set ourselves apart, why is it that at moments like this we sound like everybody else -- that the only reason we lose at anything is because the other school cheats.
I can confirm exactly what you say here. I've got family in HS coaching that say almost verbatim what you laid out here. Freeze is regarded as a nice guy, well-liked by players and HS coaches alike.I believe Hugh Freeze would recruit well anywhere. I live in Miss. I know several high school coaches; they all like him. I have a friend who coaches at a big school in Alabama; he says Freeze is very well liked. He is a Bama fan and says Freeze is one of the best he is seen with the players.The players like him. He is genuinely friendly. Who knows if the alumni are finishing the deal with money; but I believe the recruits are drawn to Freeze. I don't believe Ole Miss is a threat to Bama in recruiting or anything else, but they have a head coach, for now, who can recruit.
It's not a salary cap, what SEC school was recently under an NCAA investigation and had their left tackle suspended for nearly half a season for driving free cars etc.... That'd be the (reportedly squeaky clean Ole Miss) program. They couldn't get away with these tactics WHILE the ncaa was there. Now that they have left it's open up the flood gates.Last year Ole Miss has a class with a ranking of #21. Same coach, same guy who closed on all those 4 and 5 stars in 2013. Year before? 19? This year? 3 What changed? Well if one did believe Ole Miss was paying players, then the three 5 stars they got late in the 2013 class are declaring for the draft and coming off the books. So, Ole Miss is under the salary cap.