You ever driven past the football players' parking lot in Tuscaloosa? Just saying...
Head to Head Recruiting vs. Ole Miss
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I don't have any direct knowledge about Treadwell, PT, which likely makes two of us. Nkemdiche's father, a doctor, would not be the first parent to relocate to be closer to his kids. Unless Ole Miss manufactured his license, what's the big deal?
Tunsil's last minute, love-at-first sight visit has always been the weird one.
Actually, you have to go all the way back to 2005 or so. Freeze was brought onto Orgeron's staff as the tight ends coach and recruiting coordinator. And was the recruiting coordinator during this guy's tenure.
http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/saunders_david01.html
Saunders was just given an 8 YEAR show cause by the NCAA for his actions while at ULL. Tressel only got 5. Saunders was the lead recruiter for Jerrell Powe. If any of you recall the story, Powe committed to Auburn at the Army All-American game that year. When it was determined he wasn't going to have the grades he flipped to Ole Miss and Saunders went to work. Eventually, Ole Miss tried to clean up the mess that was made by hiring Orgeron and a high school recruiting coordinator who didn't know how to control a veteran staff. Houston Nutt tried to bring Saunders back on staff. That story is here:
http://colrebsez.blogspot.com/2011/08/former-ole-miss-coach-serves-notice-of.html
Do you remember Nutt's class of 2009? 37 committments. 4 from Alabama. 2 from Hargrave, Bobby Massey and Tig Barksdale who had to take his ACT in Wayne County---the same place Powe passed his ACT. 8 from Florida. From this class the SEC enacted the 25 Max rule.
It is not like this is new. Ole Miss was placed on probation back around 1994, about the same time as Auburn. When Tuberville first got there he only had 14 scholarships to give in 1996 because of sanctions yet brought in a class of more than 35, most of whom walked on, most of whom had scholarship offers from SEC schools including Rufus French the nation's number one tight end prospect.
The "Forward Rebels" group claimed to want to dispose of the good ole boy network at Ole Miss. But those good ole boys knew the tricks in recruiting and were attempting to clean it up. "Forward Rebels" won the day and all Freeze has to do is look the other way----same as Tuberville and Orgeron.
The Jerrell Powe happening is something that really embarrassed the school and the alumni and they have tried to distance themselves from Saunders but ULL filing suit against ACT has the thing open and in court again----when the Ole Miss people thought the October hearing between ULL and the NCAA was the end of it----and opened the door again to doing what they do for the 2016 class.
http://louisianarecord.com/stories/...st-act-following-ncaa-ruling-in-fraud-scandal
Nkemdiche's father is a hospital administrator- not a doctor of any kind according to some people that knew him in Georgia. Treadwell's commitment caused 3-4 Big 10 schools to contact the NCAA- but nothing was done there.
Very informative post. Maybe some of the Ole Miss apologists will start to come around somewhat.
Why cite to "some people that knew him" when that kind of information can easily be found (to be clear, those "some people" don't know him)? Anyway, here's a story on the situation:
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...cruit-riles-up-mississippi-legislature-010413
What I think now is that apparently the NCAA feels that there`s enough credible evidence of improper actions related to multiple sports, including football, to allege such and launch a formal investigation. If you`re asking do I think that rules were apparently broken concerning the football program, the answer`s yes for the aforementioned reasons. I`ve never claimed that I didn`t necessarily believe that something untoward wasn`t occurring. I`ve just held the opinion that until something such as what`s occurred transpired, everything was opinion and speculation, that`s all.
I'll say this, I don't think the NCAA has enough credibility to really change outlooks on this. At least they shouldn't in my mind. They are just affirming the obvious, that something fishy is going on and a lot of people know this.
The problem here isn't that players are getting paid. That does happen, it's inevitable to some extent. The problem is Ole Miss was buying guys that everyone knew they couldn't get otherwise. This wasn't a hey, here's some pocket money because you came and played for my school thing, or here's some money to help you make up your mind. This was, hey I know you don't care about Ole Miss at all, but here's enough money to make you come to Ole Miss type situation. Way way different from what usually goes on and everyone who paid attention knew it.
The problem here isn't that players are getting paid. That does happen, it's inevitable to some extent. The problem is Ole Miss was buying guys that everyone knew they couldn't get otherwise. This wasn't a hey, here's some pocket money because you came and played for my school thing, or here's some money to help you make up your mind. This was, hey I know you don't care about Ole Miss at all, but here's enough money to make you come to Ole Miss type situation. Way way different from what usually goes on and everyone who paid attention knew it.
Yes- seriously. There have been people on here and other boards not buying the whole Ole Miss is corrupt mantra.
If you want name call, how about something a little more creative. Appeaser? Collaborationist? Mixer?
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Given that it's Ole Miss, I think Apologist has an ironic, if perhaps excessively harsh, historical tone to it. While I would argue nobody sounded like a true apologist for Ole Miss, it was a humorous and cringe-worthy choice.
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