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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayTide View Post
    IIRC Archie Manning either lead the search committee or was a prominent member of that committee that hired Freeze. I have always been a huge Archie Manning fan (not so either of his sons), but I wonder how Ole Miss wound up with someone like Freeze whose coaching credentials were very suspect to say the least, even for Ole Miss. It appears Ole Miss has a huge problem and would probably be well served to cut its losses at this point, take the sanctions and move on. But what the hell do I know.
    Freeze was a 'known commodity' in the Memphis area, Manning and Co knew exactly what they were pursuing...
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    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (UPDATED NOA Reply - Page

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Freeze was a 'known commodity' in the Memphis area, Manning and Co knew exactly what they were pursuing...
    I'm sure the taco tuohy's had a lot to do with it and I wouldn't be surprised if they were funding some of the $ to cheat with as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bamamc1 View Post
    I'm sure the taco tuohy's had a lot to do with it and I wouldn't be surprised if they were funding some of the $ to cheat with as well.
    Now we are starting to understand how far back this goes---------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oher

    Quote - Oher was named Division II (2A) Lineman of the Year in 2003, and First Team Tennessee All-State.[2][4] Scout.com rated Oher a five-star recruit and the No. 5 offensive lineman prospect in the country.[5] Before that season and for his prior 20 months at Briarcrest, Oher had been living with several foster families. In 2004, Leigh Anne and Sean Tuohy, a couple with a daughter and son attending Briarcrest, allowed Oher to live with them and eventually adopted him. The family began tending to his needs after becoming familiar with his difficult childhood. They also hired a tutor for him, who worked with him for 20 hours per week.[2] Oher also earned two letters each in track and basketball. He averaged 22 points and 10 rebounds a game, earning All-State honors by helping lead the basketball team to a 27–6 record, winning the district championship as a senior. Oher was also a state runner-up in the discus as a senior.[6]
    Oher's low grades were initially a barrier to his acceptance to an NCAA program. He eventually increased his 0.76 grade point average (GPA) to a 2.52 GPA by the end of his senior year so he could attend a Division I school by enrolling in some 10-day-long Internet-based courses from Brigham Young University. Taking and passing the internet courses allowed him to replace Ds and Fs earned in earlier school classes, such as English, with As earned via the Internet.[7] This finally raised his graduating GPA over the required minimum.[2]

    So Micheal Oher was already the #5 offensive line prospect in the country when he moved in, contrary to the "narrative" that has been presented.

    The above education scenario is the same thing David Saunders tried with Jerrell Powe. Powe was a February 2006 recruit who was recruited in the fall of 2004 and all through 2005 who eventually got to school in 2008. So----who taught who? Saunders or the Network?

    So, let's set a better time line of who and when----who was at Ole Miss for time frame? David Cutcliff was let go at the end of 2004? You remember why Cut was fired? They "said" it was because he would not make changes to his staff. I say he would not play the way the #Network wanted him to play.

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    The quote from Basket Case is an excellent summation of Ole Miss football during my 52 years of living.
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    Yes, it is.

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    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (UPDATED NOA Reply - Page

    The Committee on Infractions announced significant penalties against the University of Louisville on Thursday. Louisville will have to vacate its 2013 national title if it does not win an appeal, which would be the first menís basketball title vacated in NCAA history. The penalties also included a five-game ACC suspension for coach Rick Pitino, the latest Hall of Fame coach to endure a significant punishment.

    In a big year for the NCAA enforcement process, the group has made an early statement that Hall of Fame coaches and blue blood programs will not be spared. And no one has been watching closer than officials at Ole Miss and North Carolina.


    http://www.foxsports.com/college-bas...le-miss-061517

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    ^^^^^^^^^Remains to be seen..........but we can hope.........

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    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (UPDATED NOA Reply - Page

    Quote Originally Posted by OBMS View Post
    Now we are starting to understand how far back this goes---------

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Oher

    Quote - Oher was named Division II (2A) Lineman of the Year in 2003, and First Team Tennessee All-State.[2][4] Scout.com rated Oher a five-star recruit and the No. 5 offensive lineman prospect in the country.[5] Before that season and for his prior 20 months at Briarcrest, Oher had been living with several foster families. In 2004, Leigh Anne and Sean Tuohy, a couple with a daughter and son attending Briarcrest, allowed Oher to live with them and eventually adopted him. The family began tending to his needs after becoming familiar with his difficult childhood. They also hired a tutor for him, who worked with him for 20 hours per week.[2] Oher also earned two letters each in track and basketball. He averaged 22 points and 10 rebounds a game, earning All-State honors by helping lead the basketball team to a 27–6 record, winning the district championship as a senior. Oher was also a state runner-up in the discus as a senior.[6]
    Oher's low grades were initially a barrier to his acceptance to an NCAA program. He eventually increased his 0.76 grade point average (GPA) to a 2.52 GPA by the end of his senior year so he could attend a Division I school by enrolling in some 10-day-long Internet-based courses from Brigham Young University. Taking and passing the internet courses allowed him to replace Ds and Fs earned in earlier school classes, such as English, with As earned via the Internet.[7] This finally raised his graduating GPA over the required minimum.[2]

    So Micheal Oher was already the #5 offensive line prospect in the country when he moved in, contrary to the "narrative" that has been presented.

    The above education scenario is the same thing David Saunders tried with Jerrell Powe. Powe was a February 2006 recruit who was recruited in the fall of 2004 and all through 2005 who eventually got to school in 2008. So----who taught who? Saunders or the Network?

    So, let's set a better time line of who and when----who was at Ole Miss for time frame? David Cutcliff was let go at the end of 2004? You remember why Cut was fired? They "said" it was because he would not make changes to his staff. I say he would not play the way the #Network wanted him to play.
    So Oher was a big deal prior to landing with the Tuohy family?

    That suggests some major issues with Michael Lewis' narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    So Oher was a big deal prior to landing with the Tuohy family?

    That suggests some major issues with Michael Lewis' narrative.
    Check the footnote for all of those points - Michael Lewis' book.
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    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (UPDATED NOA Reply - Page

    My guess is that Ole Miss' blithering attempt to save Freeze stems from their well-earned inferiority complex combined with the fact he's a home boy competing against a Yankee (Mullen) who has done a helluva job putting together something decent on the field by StarkVegas standards.

    When football was lily white, Ole Miss was a big deal. They haven't been a big deal now in half a century so the number of folks who can even remember this is shrinking with each passing year. And just as with the Barn, it is one of the Articles of Faith of the Religion of the Grove: the only reason Bama beats us is because they cheat and we are virginal clean.

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    Just the year before, Ole Miss coach Billy Brewer had accused him of being a snob and a liar, among other things. Sherrill cheats, Brewer said, in the fashion of "all those [Bear] Bryant boys like Charley Pell and Danny Ford."

    Less than a year after this story ran (and less than two years after making the charge):


    Billy Brewer Fired


    Mississippi football coach Billy Brewer was fired a day after athletic director Warner Alford resigned and 31/2 weeks after the school announced an NCAA inquiry alleging 15 violations.

    This case was so open and shut that only five months after news of the inquiry broke - "Ole Miss Found Guilty of 15 Infractions"



    NCAA sanctions levied yesterday against the University of Mississippi football program might cripple it for years.

    The NCAA infractions committee found Mississippi guilty of 15 violations. They ranged from a lack of institutional control to offers of cash, plane tickets and cars to prospects by staff members and boosters.

    Because Mississippi was penalized for similar acts in 1986, the NCAA showed no leniency, said David Swank, University of Oklahoma law professor and chairman of the committee on infractions.

    "This is one of the most serious cases we've had since I've been a member of the committee," said Swank, in his fourth year as infractions committee chairman.

    The committee placed Mississippi on probation for four years, banned it from postseason play for two years, banned it from playing in televised games for one year, and slashed the number of new players Mississippi can put on scholarship the next two years from 25 to 13 per year.

    The scholarship reduction was the most severe levied against a Division I-A school since Southern Methodist University was barred from offering any scholarships or fielding a team in 1987 and '88.

    The committee also found former football coach Billy Brewer guilty of unethical conduct, a charge not contained in the original letter of inquiry. The committee imposed a penalty that all but bars Brewer from another NCAA coaching job for four years.

    Brewer's attorney said he would continue with plans for a lawsuit against Ole Miss seeking compensation for the final three years of Brewer's contract.

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    Wanna know what people hate worse than a cheater?

    A cheater who accuses others and pretends he isn't one.

    THIS is what you're dealing with folks. Brewer himself was an Ole Miss player, he played 1957-60 for Vaught.

    They're terrified of what's coming if they lose Freeze. You can't exactly get an Urban Meyer type to come to Oxford and Mullen appears to be going nowhere and ain't no slouch at the local thing.

    For those who don't get the mentality, this is it. It's about state superiority and continuing to pretend everyone else cheats but you don't.
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    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (UPDATED NOA Reply - Page

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    THIS is what you're dealing with folks. Brewer himself was an Ole Miss player, he played 1957-60 for Vaught.
    They're terrified of what's coming if they lose Freeze. You can't exactly get an Urban Meyer type to come to Oxford and Mullen appears to be going nowhere and ain't no slouch at the local thing.
    You nailed it, Selma; it's hard enough to convince a quality coach to come into the SEC and face off against Saban every year--but if you're also crippled with sanctions? They'd be lucky to get John L. Smith to take the gig.
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    Bruse Lloyd sounds like a character in a Grisham novel

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    Re: NCAA to formally charge Ole Miss with rules violations (UPDATED NOA Reply - Page

    Read the excerpts. Didn't listen to the podcast.

    Am I reading this wrong? Seems like Loyd is saying, "Barney's not mad...we have no reason to sue anybody...all is well on our side."

    Sounds like the network finally ponied up enough cash to make Farrar happy with being thrown under the bus.

    Which is way different from Farrar's quotes from just a few weeks ago.

    Am I missing something?
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