The policy and politics of Trumpism

92tide · Mar 17, 2017

TideEngineer08 said:
But that's not what I'm trying to imply. I'm trying to explain why Trump won in the first place. I'm not excusing Trump's actions since he took office, by saying "oh well Obama did it too!"

Trump won, IMO, because the Democrats have pushed far to hard to the far loony left, and Hillary was an uninspiring candidate. Why else did Trump win? It wasn't like he got many millions more votes than Romney or McCain, was it?

Anyway, I'm not making the argument that his actions are the equivalent of Obama's tenure. Not in the least. Only that both sides have veered off into extreme nonsense territory and that's why a moron like Trump can win, and it's why he could win again. Although, now we'll have an actual record of his to vote on. Maybe it will be impossible for him to win again when it's all said and done.

And I apologize for the lack of understanding. Man, I lost my cool there for a little bit.

i think trump won because he tapped into populist anger over immigration (its going on around the world) and obamacare and he conned people into thinking our country is in tatters. i think a lot of folks (i knew several) who assumed hillary would win and stayed home or voted third party because they didn't like her/didn't find her inspiring. also, hillary's campaign made the same mistake they did vs obama in 2008 and ignored key parts of the country that they assumed they had in the bag. in addition, i think there was some factor of trump being such a wild card that no one knew how to deal with it. (i acknowledge that this is a simplified view of what went on).

bama2112 · Mar 17, 2017

92tide said:
i think trump won because he tapped into populist anger over immigration (its going on around the world) and obamacare and he conned people into thinking our country is in tatters. i think a lot of folks (i knew several) who assumed hillary would win and stayed home or voted third party because they didn't like her/didn't find her inspiring. also, hillary's campaign made the same mistake they did vs obama in 2008 and ignored key parts of the country that they assumed they had in the bag. in addition, i think there was some factor of trump being such a wild card that no one knew how to deal with it. (i acknowledge that this is a simplified view of what went on).

A trillion dollars in debt is not conning anyone. And premiums from Obama care doubled and tripled. Hillary is a liar and no one trusted her.

TideEngineer08 · Mar 17, 2017

92tide said:
i think trump won because he tapped into populist anger over immigration (its going on around the world) and obamacare and he conned people into thinking our country is in tatters. i think a lot of folks (i knew several) who assumed hillary would win and stayed home or voted third party because they didn't like her/didn't find her inspiring. also, hillary's campaign made the same mistake they did vs obama in 2008 and ignored key parts of the country that they assumed they had in the bag. in addition, i think there was some factor of trump being such a wild card that no one knew how to deal with it. (i acknowledge that this is a simplified view of what went on).

To be fair the Republicans knew even less how to deal with him in the primaries. I wanted desperately to vote for someone else, so much so that I might have voted for Obama to have a third term. That's blasphemy to most any conservative, but it's the truth of where I stood. As it was, I wrote in Ed McMuffin, and have felt terrible about it ever since. What a waste.

Anyway, to help get back on topic with current events, apparently Trump had Merkel over to the White House today and then refused to be gracious at all. This is the kind of nonsense that disgusts me. No matter how much he disagrees with her, you invited her over, she's there, be gracious. But he is not capable.

Bamaro · Mar 17, 2017

bama2112 said:
A trillion dollars in debt is not conning anyone. And premiums from Obama care doubled and tripled. Hillary is a liar and no one trusted her.

I doubt that but maybe someone could provide rate of increase during obamacare years compared with years prior.
As far as Hillary being a liar, she was a rank amateur as a candidate compared to Trump as a president.:eek2:

bama2112 · Mar 17, 2017

Bamaro said:
I doubt that but maybe someone could provide rate of increase during obamacare years compared with years prior.
As far as Hillary being a liar, she was a rank amateur as a candidate compared to Trump as a president.:eek2:

Well I have Obama Care as insurance with BCBS of Alabama, my family rates doubled this year. Would you like to see a copy of my statement?

GrayTide · Mar 17, 2017

92tide said:
i think trump won because he tapped into populist anger over immigration (its going on around the world) and obamacare and he conned people into thinking our country is in tatters. i think a lot of folks (i knew several) who assumed hillary would win and stayed home or voted third party because they didn't like her/didn't find her inspiring. also, hillary's campaign made the same mistake they did vs obama in 2008 and ignored key parts of the country that they assumed they had in the bag. in addition, i think there was some factor of trump being such a wild card that no one knew how to deal with it. (i acknowledge that this is a simplified view of what went on).

IMO this is exactly what happened. I would also add that quite a few intelligent people I know did not vote for Hillary because they did not want a female President. These same people did not vote for Obama, not because he had a strange name or was perceived as a liberal, but because he was African-American. Somethings will never change.

day-day · Mar 17, 2017

GrayTide said:
IMO this is exactly what happened. I would also add that quite a few intelligent people I know did not vote for Hillary because they did not want a female President. These same people did not vote for Obama, not because he had a strange name or was perceived as a liberal, but because he was African-American. Somethings will never change.

Intelligent??

And some people voted for Hillary because she is female and some voted for Obama because he is African-American. It is sad.

Tide1986 · Mar 17, 2017

bama_wayne1 said:
So isn't that sort of "pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot". They think he hates/fears them so they hate/fear him?

Irrational fears from those who are ostensibly the smartest and most logical among us.

pcfixup · Mar 17, 2017

The democrats during the Clinton era (From 1990 to 2014) ran a platform of socially-liberal capitalism. They openly believed in open-borders , rejected the Judaeo-christian ethic as racist and sexist, never came up with an answer to the rise of Islam, complained about global warming but never came up with a way to pay the costs involved.

So many elites took Hilliary winning for Granted :

1. Fareed Zakaria wrote a book hailing a post-American world ...

2. Bruce Jenner came out as Trans -- and got an Award from ESPN for it ...

3. Mrs. Reuben Carter had an anti-white halftime show.

The democrats took the idea of "Demographics is destiny" to heart and it backfired on them.

Tide1986 · Mar 17, 2017

bama_wayne1 said:
So isn't that sort of "pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot". They think he hates/fears them so they hate/fear him?

Oops...dupe.

pcfixup · Mar 17, 2017

Isn't the mainstream media downplaying Geert Wilders success in the election there?

crimsonaudio · Mar 17, 2017

pcfixup said:
Isn't the mainstream media downplaying Geert Wilders success in the election there?

What success? He won fewer seats than in the last election - he lost ground.

Tide1986 · Mar 17, 2017

selmaborntidefan said:
Even if we assume the make-up of left and right, I'm still trying to fathom why anyone argues Trump is any kind of conservative at all.....

I certainly haven't made that argument.

AUDub · Mar 17, 2017

crimsonaudio said:
What success? He won fewer seats than in the last election - he lost ground.

Yeah they underperformed given what the expectations were. Even had they won the most seats, no one wants to work with him and a coalition would have been unlikely.

crimsonaudio · Mar 17, 2017

AUDub said:
Yeah they underperformed given what the expectations were. Even had they won the most seats, no one wants to work with him and a coalition would have been unlikely.

I have friends over there - they're far, far left compared to even our left here - and they were quite worried Wilder would gain power. Now they're quite happy.

Tide1986 · Mar 17, 2017

92tide said:
ok, how about keep pushing that rock up the hill, maybe you'll reach the top one day.

With Trump as president, it's amazing that the sun came out this morning, I drove to my kids' school for a planning meeting, then went to work, and am now able to sit here in my local Mexican restaurant and drink a few margaritas before going home to further relax with my family. Life really sux I guess.

TIDE-HSV · Mar 17, 2017

crimsonaudio said:
I have friends over there - they're far, far left compared to even our left here - and they were quite worried Wilder would gain power. Now they're quite happy.

They drew lessons from Trump and Brexit, and by "they," I don't mean just the far left, either. I had a Swedish friend make a remark on Facebook which cut to the bone. He said that any country with our percentage of voting participation had no right to complain about any leadership it received. He was right...

day-day · Mar 17, 2017

TIDE-HSV said:
They drew lessons from Trump and Brexit, and by "they," I don't mean just the far left, either. I had a Swedish friend make a remark on Facebook which cut to the bone. He said that any country with our percentage of voting participation had no right to complain about any leadership it received. He was right...

Seems that anyone who votes should feel they have the right to complain.

However, the point that around 50 to 55% of the voting age actually votes in the US is very poor and I'm guessing much more than 55% of the voting age population complains.

Tide1986 · Mar 17, 2017

Bamaro said:
I doubt that but maybe someone could provide rate of increase during obamacare years compared with years prior.
As far as Hillary being a liar, she was a rank amateur as a candidate compared to Trump as a president.:eek2:

For me personally, my out of pocket costs have increased significantly more since passage of the ACA. It would be great to go back to the days beforehand when my premiums remained steady year over year or increased no more than a few dollars per month.

CharminTide · Mar 17, 2017

TIDE-HSV said:
They drew lessons from Trump and Brexit, and by "they," I don't mean just the far left, either. I had a Swedish friend make a remark on Facebook which cut to the bone. He said that any country with our percentage of voting participation had no right to complain about any leadership it received. He was right...

My German friends were aghast when they learned that our election day was on a work day. In most developed countries (including Sweden), it's on a weekend to make voter participation easier.

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