The policy and politics of Trumpism

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Aledinho

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Off subject since I am only half heartedly following along, but the side ad has changed from Meet Hot Single Asian Women (originally) to Russian (hacking posts) to now Latin, which is more my thing. So can we throw in a few more post about the wall and immigration. :)
 

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having no discernible purpose is much more deeply concerning to me as it shows an administration that holds no value in truth. I understand why Obama lied there. I neither believed nor liked it but I can understand why.
I get it, but Obama didn't find much value in truth either. Yes, his lies had purpose but so what? Trumps lies have purpose, we just have more trouble understanding them.
 

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I get it, but Obama didn't find much value in truth either. Yes, his lies had purpose but so what? Trumps lies have purpose, we just have more trouble understanding them.
the difference of course is that could trust that Obama was telling the truth most of the time, and fuzzing the edges when it was necessary with Trump you can't trust anything
 

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I must have missed when O'Dumbo told the truth.............

"If you like your (xyz), then you can keep your (xyz)."
"Premiums will go down by an average of $2500."

Need I go on?

"The cops acted stupidly."
 

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Or we could, ya know, start treating these liars like they deserve and start demanding real change instead of pretend change with more liars that just happen to lie for whichever team you like more.
 

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I must have missed when O'Dumbo told the truth.............

"If you like your (xyz), then you can keep your (xyz)."
"Premiums will go down by an average of $2500."

Need I go on?

"The cops acted stupidly."
I'm sure Obamacare's flaws not being dealt with had nothing to do with the immediate installation of a Republican House and Senate that tried everything they could to sabotage that law and made no improvements at all. Are you poor in Alabama with no insurance? Well, thank the lack of Medicaid expansion. Thank your (R) elected officials. The people have spoken. **** the poor and those with pre-existing conditions. Ignore subsidies for those with less income. Let's focus only on those the law made worse off. Not the millions in a better position.

Six years of Republican obstructionism with the goal of repealing Obamacare is not helpful to anyone and is responsible for the inability to even attempt to fix any flaws in the execution of the Affordable Care Act. And you go with a quote from Obama's first term. He must have been a serial liar. The Donald lies more in an average week than the last five presidents of any party did in their entire terms. As this is an uphill battle, and I can see enough zealotry coming from Washington, say what you will. You are wrong.
 

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Are you poor in Alabama with no insurance? Well, thank the lack of Medicaid expansion. Thank your (R) elected officials.
No, I am poor, and in Texas, but that is beside the point. I want NOTHING to do with MediScare, even though I am old enough to go on it. (I am delaying taking Socialist Insecurity, because doing so would force me onto MediScare.)

I am not about to go through my bizarre medical history. You would not understand it, if I did. I have a very real and vested interest in staying as far away from anything "gubbament", when it comes to my health care.

(And just so that you know this has nothing to do with republicants or demonrats................the FDA screwed over the research hospital, that I had been using, for many years. When Reagan was POTUS. Not going into details, but you will have to trust me. I saw fellow patients die when their treatments were halted by the FDA. Don't tell me otherwise. I witnessed it firsthand. It boiled down to a ....ing contest over research that wasn't beneficial to AIDS patients. Which none of us were.)
 

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I'm sure Obamacare's flaws not being dealt with had nothing to do with the immediate installation of a Republican House and Senate that tried everything they could to sabotage that law and made no improvements at all. Are you poor in Alabama with no insurance? Well, thank the lack of Medicaid expansion. Thank your (R) elected officials. The people have spoken. **** the poor and those with pre-existing conditions. Ignore subsidies for those with less income. Let's focus only on those the law made worse off. Not the millions in a better position.

Six years of Republican obstructionism with the goal of repealing Obamacare is not helpful to anyone and is responsible for the inability to even attempt to fix any flaws in the execution of the Affordable Care Act. And you go with a quote from Obama's first term. He must have been a serial liar. The Donald lies more in an average week than the last five presidents of any party did in their entire terms. As this is an uphill battle, and I can see enough zealotry coming from Washington, say what you will. You are wrong.
Dang it 86, can you or DBF please close the door, you let another one in the house
 

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I'm sure Obamacare's flaws not being dealt with had nothing to do with the immediate installation of a Republican House and Senate that tried everything they could to sabotage that law and made no improvements at all. Are you poor in Alabama with no insurance? Well, thank the lack of Medicaid expansion. Thank your (R) elected officials. The people have spoken. **** the poor and those with pre-existing conditions. Ignore subsidies for those with less income. Let's focus only on those the law made worse off. Not the millions in a better position.

Six years of Republican obstructionism with the goal of repealing Obamacare is not helpful to anyone and is responsible for the inability to even attempt to fix any flaws in the execution of the Affordable Care Act. And you go with a quote from Obama's first term. He must have been a serial liar. The Donald lies more in an average week than the last five presidents of any party did in their entire terms. As this is an uphill battle, and I can see enough zealotry coming from Washington, say what you will. You are wrong.
You guys can fight over WHICH is to blame, D or R. I blame them BOTH. Because they were BOTH unwilling to work with the other side and garner support for another imperfect solution that everyone could have worked to try to get right. So there's that.
 

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You guys can fight over WHICH is to blame, D or R. I blame them BOTH. Because they were BOTH unwilling to work with the other side and garner support for another imperfect solution that everyone could have worked to try to get right. So there's that.
As a small business owner to see my taxes decreased from 40% to 15% means I can afford to pay for employee healthcare, or at least pay them more. I for one am glad that a non politician was elected. I worked for 30 years in corporate America. I would have been fired the first week if I acted like politicians do.
 
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I'm sure Obamacare's flaws not being dealt with had nothing to do with the immediate installation of a Republican House and Senate that tried everything they could to sabotage that law and made no improvements at all. Are you poor in Alabama with no insurance? Well, thank the lack of Medicaid expansion. Thank your (R) elected officials. The people have spoken. **** the poor and those with pre-existing conditions. Ignore subsidies for those with less income. Let's focus only on those the law made worse off. Not the millions in a better position.

Six years of Republican obstructionism with the goal of repealing Obamacare is not helpful to anyone and is responsible for the inability to even attempt to fix any flaws in the execution of the Affordable Care Act. And you go with a quote from Obama's first term. He must have been a serial liar. The Donald lies more in an average week than the last five presidents of any party did in their entire terms. As this is an uphill battle, and I can see enough zealotry coming from Washington, say what you will. You are wrong.
ACA has more problems than it's worth. It benefits a small number of people and breaks the backs of most of the working class. The only way to have the health care that Obama was aiming for is to go to an European style democracy or have a leftist spring. Both are highly unlikely.

As for the Republicans obstruction, I agree the tea party held the budget for ransom and Obama for the most part did the right thing when dealing with them. But what he did wrong was that he started making your every day republican side with the cousin eddies (tea party) by his aggressive anti cop, anti gun, globalization, and pro Islamic rhetoric in his last two years in office. So if you want to blame anyone for anything Trump does then blame Obama because without the last two years Trump would've never made it out of Super Tuesday.
 

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You guys can fight over WHICH is to blame, D or R. I blame them BOTH. Because they were BOTH unwilling to work with the other side and garner support for another imperfect solution that everyone could have worked to try to get right. So there's that.
Both sides weren't even willing to read the thing they were passing through.
 

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ACA has more problems than it's worth. It benefits a small number of people and breaks the backs of most of the working class. The only way to have the health care that Obama was aiming for is to go to an European style democracy or have a leftist spring. Both are highly unlikely.

As for the Republicans obstruction, I agree the tea party held the budget for ransom and Obama for the most part did the right thing when dealing with them. But what he did wrong was that he started making your every day republican side with the cousin eddies (tea party) by his aggressive anti cop, anti gun, globalization, and pro Islamic rhetoric in his last two years in office. So if you want to blame anyone for anything Trump does then blame Obama because without the last two years Trump would've never made it out of Super Tuesday.
well, you're getting what you wanted. and this has very little to do with obama (trump's admin is just bush's admin on steroids), it has to do with conservatives spending the past two decades trying to dismantle government because they're being told daily that the government is their enemy and the root of all of their problems because they are favoring those people and persecuting the real christian americans.

so, i guess it's all a matter of perspective.
 

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well, you're getting what you wanted. and this has very little to do with obama (trump's admin is just bush's admin on steroids), it has to do with conservatives spending the past two decades trying to dismantle government because they're being told daily that the government is their enemy and the root of all of their problems because they are favoring those people and persecuting the real christian americans.

so, i guess it's all a matter of perspective.
The only thing I surprisingly got that I've always wanted was a gut full of laughter at the SJWs putting LSU fans to shame at melting.

I have this ultra conservative uncle who when he tells me his candidate I know who won't win. Granted Cruz didn't win but he was very much in the running. If we are really down to Trump and Cruz at the end then something more than "Christians who feel persecuted" lead to that result because both were way further to the right than any republican nominee in the last 40 years. So the Obama administration is very much to blame for that shift in the typical republican voter. Now it could be argued the Democratic Party is to blame to why he won by putting up the most flawed candidate in history against him.
 

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Peggy Noonan offers some thoughts on Trump and his first week in office:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-tries-to-build-a-different-party-1485478386

All week I thought of one of the best pieces on the meaning of Trumpism, from last May, by Joshua Green in Bloomberg Businessweek. Mr. Trump suggested to Mr. Green his stands were not as ad hoc and ideologically jumbled as they seemed, that they were in fact intentional. He was creating “a worker’s party,” a “party of people that haven’t had a real wage increase in 18 years.” “Five, 10 years from now—different party,” he said of the GOP.

He’s trying to make it look different right now. Many Americans, and not only Trump supporters, will like this.

And here is the important political point: Democrats don’t have a playbook for this. They have a playbook to use against normal Republicans: You’re cold, greedy, racist, sexist elitists who hate the little guy.
 
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