The policy and politics of Trumpism

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disagree, Maddow is far more intelligent that Kasparian. I disagree with much of both of them but Maddow at least understands what she is saying

though I agree with you on Obama and Clinton. Both are far right of what the left has become. Bernie is more of a true representative of the left today which is why the russians were so able to cause hillary problems by releasing the emails
Oh I agree that Maddow is far more intelligent and knows what she is talking about more of the time than Kasparian. I'm more talking about their political views, and how they aren't this mainstream type of democrat. I think maddow became an Obama apologist later out of neccesity but her politics fall more in line with the Bernie and Warren types as do with Kasparian. I think Matthews is about the only one on MSNBC that probably favors the Clinton and Obama types. There are probably others but it seems like a more intelligent family friendly version of the young Turks half the time. Ironically Cenk was fired from MSNBC for being too loud and too left for them.
 

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Oh I agree that Maddow is far more intelligent and knows what she is talking about more of the time than Kasparian. I'm more talking about their political views, and how they aren't this mainstream type of democrat. I think maddow became an Obama apologist later out of neccesity but her politics fall more in line with the Bernie and Warren types as do with Kasparian. I think Matthews is about the only one on MSNBC that probably favors the Clinton and Obama types. There are probably others but it seems like a more intelligent family friendly version of the young Turks half the time. Ironically Cenk was fired from MSNBC for being too loud and too left for them.
I agree with all of this and Cenk is the worst of all of them. Kasparian reminds me of the college trustfund liberal that has no clue how to do anything other than regurgitate the positions she thinks she should hold without any real understanding of why. I actually like Maddow, I don't agree with her on many, many things but she is at least intellectually honest and consistent.
 

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don't believe I ever heard O'Reilly on the radio nor did I claim too though I can see where my sentence wasn't clear enough. I hear O'Reilly because both my Dad and my wife's parents seem to have him on TV in their houses whenever I am there
I should have used the blue font. I was just kidding with you. Although some of this stuff is serious I don't think I would have a problem being friends anyone here. I don't have to agree with people to be their friend. Please don't take offense to my kidding.
 

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yes, this election was to some extent about outsiders. but those "outsiders" are outsiders because they want to basically want to dismantle the federal government and "stick it to the elitists" and they didn't think the gop was doing that quickly enough. all trump did was spot a large group of marks and sell them a load of populist crap and he did it much better than the organizers of the tea party did.

and bernie would have been trounced in any general election. there is a reason that he couldn't beat hillary in the primaries and it wasn't because the deck was stacked against him. he had some good points, but he was a crank and a scold.
Disagree. Voters were fed up with the GOP because they were essentially turncoats. They'd get elected via their campaign promises and then do just the opposite. Instead of fighting against Obama's policies they turned around and gave him everything he wanted.
Bernie was no option because of his outright Socialism and Hillary couldn't have been seen as any more of a criminal if she were campaigning from a prison bus.

Every politician who got sent to DC got corrupted by the system before they could change it.
The only reasonable alternative was someone who wasn't a politician, a man who had plenty of experience in the business world and who had enough money of his own to not be corrupted by political bribery.

You want to know what we have in Donald Trump? We have a man who has accomplished more in a single week than his predecessor could manage in 8 years.
 

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Disagree. Voters were fed up with the GOP because they were essentially turncoats. They'd get elected via their campaign promises and then do just the opposite. Instead of fighting against Obama's policies they turned around and gave him everything he wanted.
Bernie was no option because of his outright Socialism and Hillary couldn't have been seen as any more of a criminal if she were campaigning from a prison bus.

Every politician who got sent to DC got corrupted by the system before they could change it.
The only reasonable alternative was someone who wasn't a politician, a man who had plenty of experience in the business world and who had enough money of his own to not be corrupted by political bribery.

You want to know what we have in Donald Trump? We have a man who has accomplished more in a single week than his predecessor could manage in 8 years.
he has accomplished jack crap this week other than making us look like fools
 

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I should have used the blue font. I was just kidding with you. Although some of this stuff is serious I don't think I would have a problem being friends anyone here. I don't have to agree with people to be their friend. Please don't take offense to my kidding.
I took no offense at all, hope you didn't either
 

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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
Apparently - Illegals voting isn't a big deal -- apparently it was only 800,000 -- and not enough to give Hill the pop vote.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/
Based off a poll, which produced garbage data, and then multiplied garbage by garbage to get garbage. That survey is useless.

The evidence for any sort of significant fraud is so thin that it's laughable to make such a claim. Unless you're living in "alternative fact" land, of course.
 

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Disagree. Voters were fed up with the GOP because they were essentially turncoats. They'd get elected via their campaign promises and then do just the opposite. Instead of fighting against Obama's policies they turned around and gave him everything he wanted.
Bernie was no option because of his outright Socialism and Hillary couldn't have been seen as any more of a criminal if she were campaigning from a prison bus.

Every politician who got sent to DC got corrupted by the system before they could change it.
The only reasonable alternative was someone who wasn't a politician, a man who had plenty of experience in the business world and who had enough money of his own to not be corrupted by political bribery.

You want to know what we have in Donald Trump? We have a man who has accomplished more in a single week than his predecessor could manage in 8 years.
voters were fed up because they are stupid and politicians, especially on the right, have to agree to their version of ideological purity to get through the primaries. I say especially on the right because the GOP wasn't smart enough to control their primary as the DNC was (though it backfired spectacularly, this time it's worked in the past) and Trump is the result. A stupid candidate for a stupid party, with spectacularly stupid and unworkable ideas that are bound for failure as they aren't bound to reality in any way shape or form. Sad what happened to the party of Reagan, it's a disgrace
 

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No, you did that by yourselves. Out of all the possible nominees, you had to settle on Killery. She couldn't even beat Bernie without cheating. Remember what I said about her campaigning from a prison bus? Well, there ya go.
yeah, keep up with the poultry fornication. it keeps you young and healthy.
 

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No, you did that by yourselves. Out of all the possible nominees, you had to settle on Killery. She couldn't even beat Bernie without cheating. Remember what I said about her campaigning from a prison bus? Well, there ya go.
you are absolutely right. I will always believe that the DNC promised Hillary this in 2008 when Obama's momentum killed her shot, "Back down and we will hand you 2016" they did and it failed. I also think that they would have turned on her if not for the GOP Parade of idiocy that resulted in Trump. Had the GOP put in a decent candidate the DNC would have responded in kind. The DNC lol'ed at Trump and figured "no one would be dumd enough to vote for this guy so we'll keep our promise to hillary as she should be able to handle this clown" She couldn't
 

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MSNBC's president would never have continued the drone attack campaigns let alone escalating them to areas where we have never declared war, he would have pushed for a single payer healthcare system rather than the insurance company benefiting pile of garbage that we got from Obama, etc etc etc


Obama was far right of msnbc, you just don't watch so you make the assumption he wasn't

I listen to conservative talk radio and get subjected to the insane rantings of O'Reily all the time when I'm at my parents and inlaws houses, I know what those guys are selling
Bull. I don't watch the talk shows of msnbc, but the "news" shows have proclaimed nearly every move Obama made a sweeping success, dynamic, never before seen and awesome.

Just because he didn't go as far left as they wanted in no way means they didn't proclaim him as the best thing ever and make it seem that every decision made was the best thing ever, much the way I believe fox news will do of trump.

Trying to find msnbc saying bad things about Obama was like trying to get certain segments of the priesthood to admit they had a penchant for little boys. Yes, gross generalization, but.....
 

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Based off a poll, which produced garbage data, and then multiplied garbage by garbage to get garbage. That survey is useless.

The evidence for any sort of significant fraud is so thin that it's laughable to make such a claim. Unless you're living in "alternative fact" land, of course.
So, what's your number? 20,000,000 voting age illegals (according to the 2012 census) --

If only 5% voted -- that's 1,000,000 -- and that's only 5%

In California over the past two years - California has admitted to giving over 800,000 drivers licenses to Illegals....just in California. So, none of those 800,000 who have licenses voted?

He put together a poll and made an educated guess. Not sure if ODU is a bastion of conservatism. But, I'm guessing he was making an effort to generate a legit number.
 

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What's your number? how many illegals do you think voted? Smart fella like yourself must have an educated guess?
i don't care because it is not an issue. that "illegals" are voting in a fashion that has any impact is a figment of your paranoid mind. and there is a mentally unstable maniac now residing in the whitehouse that is playing you and folks like you like a fiddle.
 
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