The policy and politics of Trumpism

Hey Bama Reb, keep posting and giving us Libtards Hades. You been in jail for assassinating your neighbor's cats?:wink: Just get out?

Bama Reb said:

Why do you continue pushing that false narrative?
As for Russia itself, wouldn't you agree that it would be far better to reduce the heat between our two nations to a slow simmer than to turn it up to a full boil? Is there anyone among us who would enjoy a thermonuclear war? We all know that with nuclear capability arguments aside, in the end there could never be any winner, only losers?
Obama was trying to go there. Why must we?

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The problem with Trump-Putin relations isn't the Cold War conspiracy theory part of it, it is the way Trump thinks. He thinks big man on big man great, NATO and EU bad. While the latter has serious problems it isn't as simplistic of an issue as Trump thinks. I'm all for burying the hatchet with the Russians over Syria and Crimea, but getting in bed with them at this point of time isn't really a good idea. The reason is because May and the torries have backed themselves in a corner with Brexit so they will be forced to go along with the US on the European question. So that leaves the EU and NATO in the hands of Germany. Angela merkel is in a hot mess with the Syrian refugees and that almost automatically means swift change is coming in September whether it being the far right or left taking over. But either way it doesn't help us when the European nations are looking to Germany to stand up to the US/UK/Russian coalition. And Germany has the economy and trade ties to hurt us.

CharminTide said:

Just stop. That the far right has allowed themselves to be seduced by Putin over the past two years is abhorrent.

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And the left has let themselves be seduced by the Saudi influence.

Bama Reb said:

Why do you continue pushing that false narrative?
As for Russia itself, wouldn't you agree that it would be far better to reduce the heat between our two nations to a slow simmer than to turn it up to a full boil? Is there anyone among us who would enjoy a thermonuclear war? We all know that with nuclear capability arguments aside, in the end there could never be any winner, only losers?
Obama was trying to go there. Why must we?

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It would be good to have better relations with Russia but not with Putin in there. Putin is playing Trump.

Bamaro said:

It would be good to have better relations with Russia but not with Putin in there. Putin is playing Trump.

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Russia will always have a big man in charge so what difference does it make if it's with Putin, mendev(spelling), or whoever. We should lift the sanctions and be done with any further dealings with them in that sort of manner. But I fear Trump-May- Putin is almost a sure thing at this point.

CharminTide said:

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

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It's pretty obvious, Saudis were just as guilty of trying to influence US elections as the Russians. The only difference is getting in bed with the Saudis is more profitable than the Ruskies.

CajunCrimson said:

He's not playing me. I didn't vote for him, never would. I totally see thru him. But the irony for the left, is that you truly believe he is more dangerous than what we had. I promise you, he's not. He's a smart man who has found his way into the biggest board room there is. He is going to create as much havoc as possible so you don't pay attention to what he's really doing.

He will grow the economy. He will also have us an eyelash from war. He will be tested by the bad guys, and he will respond with brute force. It's not going to be the best four years, but watching as the left melts down daily...makes it tolerable.

And, I never thought you would give a number, because you actually prefer they get to vote. We all get that. Just own it.

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i told you why i wouldn't give a number, the premise of your request is moronic. i don't argue with folks over their paranoid delusions.

TIDE-HSV said:

Putin will never think in terms of "better relations." He's a former KGB colonel whose enemies seem to disappear.He's only interested in whatever helps him expand Russia's sphere of influence and, if that involves flattering a fool, then so be it. Meanwhile, we're saddled with a latter-day Boris Yeltsin...

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Cause and effect of post USSR era behaviors by NATO. The time to make great relations with the Russians were during Yeltsin, but we decided to go against promises and now we have Putin

CharminTide said:

Did the Saudis hack political individuals and offices, slowly leak the hacked files over the course of the election, and engage in a massive propaganda campaign aimed at elevating one political candidate over another?

If not, I don't see the equivalence.

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It wouldn't surprise me when the Chinese and Czechs hack us practically every day. But the liberal media is only concerned with stuff that affects them. Except when they are found guilty of fixing primaries. So who are the democrats to call foul when they did it to their own party in the primaries.

Fwiw the Saudis have had huge influence on the Clinton campaign

TIDE-HSV said:

This is absurd to anyone who's studied Russian history...

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On what basis? That NATO said they wouldn't advance eastwards with the exception of Poland, Yeltsin was an easier person to deal with than Putin, or that the NATO advancement eastwards has aided Putin and Mendedev's popularity in Russia and has allowed them to stay in power for the last decade and some change.