The policy and politics of Trumpism
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I meant to think that we were a primary or even a material factor in the march of power there, which has been consistent for centuries, is naive. You flatter us...
Russia has always been about the Big man over the people kinda system, with the exception of Kerensky's 6 month government. Putin is the same self serving individual that Lenin, Stalin, Nicholas, Alexander, Catherine, etc all were, but each of those had to have a platform to stand on to say " hey Russia is a better place because I am in charge because X". Putin's illusion is the NATO push eastwards and has been very consistent in stating that. Everytime mainland Russian people are polled about the greatest fear for the Russian government it has been a high issue. I seriously doubt Putin really fears it because I believe his main goal in life is to alternate between being PM and president for life with his lapdog while ruling with an iron fist like the other Russian big men in history.
So no I don't believe we are directly the reason Putin came to power, but we sure allowed him a huge platform by NATO pushing aggressively eastwards. I still think we missed an opportunity while Yelstin was in power of probably having better relations with them.
Looks like you're right. Answering would draw a red line, and if it can be shown that illegal votes cross that red line, ze'd have to violate zir personal interest. Of course, ze could always reply with some inanely high number just to be the smartazz that ze typically is.
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We don't really disagree. Well, maybe about Yeltsin. He was a hopeless alcoholic and I don't really think any kind of lasting relationship could have been built with him. He was just a placemarker for a Putin-like character...
Well that was fast. The voter fraud investigation has found at least one. Woman arrested for voter fraud. Since they found this one so quickly I imagine that it should be trivial to find at least one or two of the 3-4 million illegals that committed voter fraud.
I hadn't seen that until you prompted me to look. Terrifying if even half of this is true.
The tweets have been removed, but here's the archive.
My question was general, not about the number of illegal voters in this election. I'm simply asking you to tell me what number of illegal votes would begin to make you feel that we might have an issue that needs to be addressed.
1% of the vote total. It doesn't bother me to have an investigation of voter fraud. If it is done by qualified, objective people and the methodology and conclusions are well publicized. Maybe Trump, Conway, Bannion and Vladimir?
You are correct. Looks like we might as well register the world's population to vote in our elections. And of course it makes any outrage over "Russian tampering" sillier than usual when one ultimately doesn't mind if Russians vote in our elections.
If they vote for the right side , I would consider that. Hint: It ain't you side!!
1.3M votes is a lot of illegal votes. That's roughly 12% of the illegal immigrant population, which would indicate a significant systemic issue in the registration process.
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Well... you wanted a number!:conf2: Now you getting picky. Plus most of em are in California and New York so what difference does it make?:wink:
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