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92tide said:
remember, these folks just want to have a reasoned discussion about the facts but the mean old media and reality wont let them
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Jon said:
got to say I am impressed with the impassioned defense of their party by our conservative leaning friends



::::Crickets:::::
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Both parties should be imprisoned for what they have done to our country....along with the media. Glad I don't affiliate myself with any political party.

What about you, Jon? Are you registered as any particular party?
 
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The cuts to education are due to massive bloat and wasteful spending. Not suggesting to turn it into an outpost.

The areas where we spend the most on education have the least results. You are comparing two things that are not related at all...

Exaggeration and Dishonesty -- well done.....

Do you want to live in a country where the only ones with guns are Police and Criminals?
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Well on the plus side, you may soon be able to ask if I want to live in a country where the only ones with guns are police, criminals, AND teachers.

Its awesome you managed to turn my point about school funding into an apparent desire to get rid of guns from private citizens.
 
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MattinBama said:
Your question used the word guns. The facts listed mentioned the word guns repeatedly. Pretty sure that's not nothing.

Also I don't think we really need three threads all arguing the same topic do we?
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This post is correct. I know it's difficult, with the president ginning up his newest culture war about arming teachers, but, other than that one topic, let' try to keep the gun remarks on that alone and keep the gun posts on the other two thread...
 
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Manafort is toast. If you haven't read it yet the Statement of Offense Gates signed today is below. 8 page pdf but a great read. Gate's sentence for this plea is 57-70 Months. He was looking at over 50 years if he went to trial.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1038806/download
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If Mueller ever goes down the trail of the number one guys financials these will likely appear as minor crimes in comparison. I agree that Manafort has lost all leverage unless he has major info on the boss. One can see why Trump is so agitated about the investigation. One could surmise that no one in the family can stand up to scrutiny.
 
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CajunCrimson said:
Saw the Trumpsters approval on Rasmussen is at 50% now......
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The outlier, as usual. However, on RealClear, he's up to 42.2 average, a jump of 2-3%. As I said, he's found his latest cultural war. If he can force the Democrats into posture of "Don't arm the teachers," he will have won...
 
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The outlier, as usual. However, on RealClear, he's up to 42.2 average, a jump of 2-3%. As I said, he's found his latest cultural war. If he can force the Democrats into posture of "Don't arm the teachers," he will have won...
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unfortunately for the rest of us, stupid sells. and gallup tracking still was around 37% this past week.
 
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as I and others have been saying for quite a while, you want to find the real snowflakes look to the Right. Mona Charen is walked out of CPAC for daring to call out Republicans on sexual assault. Poor little babies couldn't believe it so they had security remove her

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nservatives-supporting-trump-moore/370304002/


good for her

In the final hours of this year's Conservative Political Action Conference, conservative columnist Mona Charen was escorted out Saturday after remarks she made about conservatives supporting politicians despite sexual misconduct allegations against then.

Charen, who was speaking on an all-women panel titled "#UsToo: Left Out by the Left," rebuked conservatives for excusing the behavior of both President Trump and Alabama Republican Roy Moore.

"I'm disappointed in people on our side for being hypocrites on sexual harassers and abusers of women who are in our party, who are in the White House, who brag about their extramarital affairs, who brag about mistreating women," she said. "And because he happens to have an 'R' after his name, we look the other way, we don't complain."

She also criticized Republicans who endorsed Moore, who was accused of pursuing and assaulting teenagers while he was in his 30s.

"You cannot claim that you stand for women and put up with that," she said.
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and at the same conference gave Devin Nunes a medal for what amounts to obstructing justice or as they think of it "defending freedom"
 
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Jon said:
as I and others have been saying for quite a while, you want to find the real snowflakes look to the Right. Mona Charen is walked out of CPAC for daring to call out Republicans on sexual assault. Poor little babies couldn't believe it so they had security remove her

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nservatives-supporting-trump-moore/370304002/


good for her




and at the same conference gave Devin Nunes a medal for what amounts to obstructing justice or as they think of it "defending freedom"
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they are just good christians embracing the gift that god has sent them in trump.
 
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Democrats release their memo

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/106838/hmtg-115-ig00-20180205-sd002.pdf
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Stole this from Reddit.

Cliff Notes:
Steele Dossier played NO role in opening the Carter Page investigation. They began their investigation prior to even receiving it.
The DOJ did in fact inform the court of the origin of the Steele Dossier.
They accuse Nunes of deliberately misrepresenting the underlying FISA Warrant intelligence.
Four different judge's approved FISA warrants including judge's appointed by Bush and Reagan. Multiple DOJ officials also approved the applications prior to the court even seeing them including Trump appointees Rosenstein and Boente.
They actually started listening to Page after he left Trump campaign so the idea they were watching him to spy on Trump is absurd.
Page has a long history with Russia going back to 2004 and was being actively investigated once before already in 2013. The FBI had even interviewed him in 2016 again prior to receiving the Steele Dossier. The Steele dossier was referenced in the application as corroboration of certain things, and not to independently demonstrate.
A bunch of blacked out additional evidence with a bit in the middle noting Page lied to the HIC in his testimony in 2017 about meeting with Russian officials.
It included the footnote that discusses the Steele dossier source which SPECIFICALLY STATES ..."The FBI speculates the the unidentified U.S. Person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign." Candidate 1 is Trump I believe, edit I previously thought Person 1 was Steele, this is the person coordinating with Steele. Steele is Source #1.
DOJ timely informed the court when the FBI fired Steele and why.
The attacks on Bruce Ohr for knowing Steele/and his wife working for Fusion GPS are 100% baseless. He was not involved in the FISA process and disclosed his relationships in November 2016.
Basically Nunes and Gowdy lied whole cloth that the FISA warrant was primarily based on a news article and the Steele Dossier. Those were in fact the least used and most minor pieces of evidence and they picked them out specifically for that reason to discredit the investigation and lied about their use.
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