No one said you had to have intelligence to vote...we see it on both sides every day.i can't figure out if someone pulled an epic troll job on the rubes, or if someone did this purposefully. poe's law and all of that
The policy and politics of Trumpism
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Good question. I haven't flown in years so I don't know how all that works. Can we legally refuse to show our papers to CPB on a domestic flight? Would you refuse 1986? I would probably show ID just to avoid a big hassle.
"Should not be allowed to use unnamed sources" says the guy that daily spews garbage as facts and then claims he "was just given that information" or "saw it somewhere."
well, in the past he has mentioned sean hannity and rush limbaugh as sources.
I'll go with Epic Troll job and damn funny one tooi can't figure out if someone pulled an epic troll job on the rubes, or if someone did this purposefully. poe's law and all of that
maybe it was this guy?i can't figure out if someone pulled an epic troll job on the rubes, or if someone did this purposefully. poe's law and all of that
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a53414/cpac-russia-trump-protest/
It seems pretty clear that he dislikes unnamed sources because they're harder to find and silence.
to my count this this the third different Fox News person to object to the press treatment by the trump org
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...white-house-for-barring-outlets-from-briefing
Mystery solved
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/false-flag-operation-at-cpac/517842/
unaware morons
and I love the final quote
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/false-flag-operation-at-cpac/517842/
unaware morons
and I love the final quote
Correct me if I am wrong but Fox uses the tag line Fair and Balanced reporting. So why is it important that Fox disagreed with the White House position. I dont understand the importance of this , they are all news media people. Oh I see they left out the Clinton News Network. My bad.
I flew last week and showed my passport. I wonder if doing so, along with the screening process, violates the freedom of movement and is thus somehow authoritarian in nature.
I'm in general agreement with you but for one pedantic point.....
In 1976 - right after Watergate - the press in this country had its highest trustworthiness rating ever of 72%. A gradual decline took place as Gallup (perhaps the most reputable pollster long-term) recorded.
Trump wasn't running for President in 2007, so blaming him for the decline in press trustworthiness is absurd. Sure, he's attacked the press. So did Reagan. So did Bush 41. So did Clinton. Pretty much every President you can name has blamed the press for one of his failures.
What's different now? Simple - while folks knew before that the majority of the press folks were or had worked for the Democrats, there was something of a conscious effort of most of the media to TRY to at least present the illusion of impartiality if not actually attempt to do it.
For all the whining about Fox News - and yes, they indisputably 'lean right' save for Shephard Smith - it simply cannot compare to the combined efforts of 'let's not even pretend anymore' that CNN and especially NBC have been doing now for years. The late Tim Russert was a Democrat but anyone who ever watched him bulldog whoever came on that show would never have known it. I watched him slice Howard Dean to ribbons on June 22, 2003 - my first encounter with Mr Scream. Absolutely folded him up and mailed him home. He also destroyed phony mourner Aaron Broussard as a fraud in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, and Broussard went to the slammer for 46 months. Russert might have worked for Mario Cuomo, but he nailed Rs and Ds alike equitably.
But imagine for even a second a commentator who provided actual political coverage (not just a columnist type) in 1968 saying a candidate gave him 'a tingle' up his leg. Or the former anchor of the same network getting Tingles and his trusty sidekick Olbermann banished from Convention coverage in 2008. Or an anchor actually conspiring with the Democratic campaign to try and destroy a Presidential campaign with forged documents so obviously flawed that bloggers on the Net knew it within minutes.
They've gotten a problem and it's not just among the 5% of fringe wackos of the right or 'just' conservatives - the simple truth is that the press has spent far too long making up or exaggerating stories and now - thanks to social media - they can't get away with it anymore.
NBC made up a story in 1993 about GM trucks exploding on impact.
ABC exaggerated and 'staged' how they found out about Robert Tilton's shenanigans although their report was basically true
CNN claimed that the US government gassed deserters in Vietnam and had to backtrack.
WaPo lost a Pulitzer over a crack baby story of a figment of a journalist's imagination.
Dan Rather somehow managed to get into it with Nixon and both Bushes.
And then you have other things that make folks realize that the press doesn't investigate stuff if it doesn't fit their carefully packaged agenda.
It was NBC - not Trump - who cleverly edited a 911 tape to make George Zimmerman look like a racist.
It was CNN - not Trump - who made the erroneous claim that Zimmerman made the racial slur raccoons.
It was the press as a whole - not Trump - who suddenly decided to call Zimmerman a 'white Hispanic' and frame it as a black/white narrative.
It was the press - not Trump - who circulated the cute little picture of Trayvon pre-puberty to make it look like a vicious evil guy had whacked a tiny little child....rather than the truth that's in the forensics that can be read online that shows that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and got shot.
(Note: NONE of this needs to be taken as ANY defense of Zimmerman - let's be mature here).
And the problem is that this slanting of stories is incredibly rampant.
The networks miscalled the 1996 NH Senate race for Democrat Dick Swett (I know, I'm laughing, too).....only to find out that Robert Smith had won and get it right hours later.
the networks themselves now were conceding something--that their early projection of Democrat Dick Swett unseating GOP Sen. Robert C. Smith in New Hampshire was, well, a bit hasty. Now they were saying the race was too close to call
They managed to blow the Presidential election of 2000 TWICE in a matter of less than five hours.
They managed - despite these stumbles - to think the so-called exit polls showing Kerry winning in 2004 were ex cathedra statements from a pope...
(And one doesn't have to be any stripe of partisan to ask - "how in the hell is it you folks can only miss it in ONE direction with your projections?" There was actually an anomaly that caused the Florida problem in 2000....more than one to be honest).
The press told us Michael Brown said "hands up don't shoot." WHY? Because that's what they WANTED to believe. It's what they wanted everyone else to believe. Why else report something that was nothing more than hearsay evidence from an ALLEGED eyewitness in the first place?
And then came Election Night 2016 when the truth came out about the press right there with everyone watching. You had that African-American imbecile on CNN (don't know his name nor do I care - Van Jones maybe?) who lashed out with "this is WHITElash!" You had that bozo girl on ABC literally bawling her eyes out on live TV.....a supposedly impartial journalist. But the TRUTH came out live and in color from a group of people who consistently tell us their job is to tell us the impartial truth but don't have the ability to do that. Remember - Miss Crying Fit on TV was SUPPOSEDLY an IMPARTIAL debate moderator!!!
Anyone with a brain believe that now?
Or the infamous Candy Crowley making Mitt Romney (whom I also did not vote for) look like a lying gas bag when he was - in fact - RIGHT, which she admitted later but without all the millions who saw her dress him down on national TV seeing it.
Oh - and then the Donna Brazile report came out - how a CNN person with a long history in Democratic politics was actually setting it up with one of the campaigns. Anyone wanna buy that Brazile was impartial?
I could go on and on but the point is made: there simply is no impartial press anymore. Their credibility is gone, and it ain't ever coming back thanks to the Internet - because it's now easy for anyone to pull up where someone in the media was shameless.
And you know what? That neither endorses NOR absolve Trump of anything. It's just something anyone with open eyes can see. I can understand why someone can get a story wrong. Mistakes are made. My brother - the news producer - says covering the Boston Marathon bombing was the worst day of his life because he was a 26-year old Southerner in a Northern city having to squelch the tendency of his subordinates to want to run with something because they saw it on Twitter. (Yes, I'm serious). His biggest nightmare was that when the pictures of the bombers came out, Christians from the Middle East with so-called Arab names were being harassed incessantly....oh, and they listed one guy as a suspect who was found floating in the Providence River the next week (he had disappeared a month earlier).
Mistakes occur - that's one thing.
But nowadays their only 'mistake' is getting caught at the spin. Now, I saw a poll (before one of you is tempted to put it here) that said that folks believe the media more than they do Trump. Of course.
But so what? Trump won't be running on a ballot against 'the media' ever. It's binary in outcome. Folks don't believe much of what politicians say anyway. The bottom line is that the press - and only the press - is to blame for the fact nobody trusts them. This is a group of folks who couldn't even figure out John Edwards had a love child while the tabloids did. The 'responsible press' isn't who exposed the Reggie Bush case, either.
I'm sorry, but this won't fly. Trump didn't discredit the press - the press is responsible for it's OWN discrediting. Trump isn't THAT powerful.
In 1976 - right after Watergate - the press in this country had its highest trustworthiness rating ever of 72%. A gradual decline took place as Gallup (perhaps the most reputable pollster long-term) recorded.
Trump wasn't running for President in 2007, so blaming him for the decline in press trustworthiness is absurd. Sure, he's attacked the press. So did Reagan. So did Bush 41. So did Clinton. Pretty much every President you can name has blamed the press for one of his failures.
What's different now? Simple - while folks knew before that the majority of the press folks were or had worked for the Democrats, there was something of a conscious effort of most of the media to TRY to at least present the illusion of impartiality if not actually attempt to do it.
For all the whining about Fox News - and yes, they indisputably 'lean right' save for Shephard Smith - it simply cannot compare to the combined efforts of 'let's not even pretend anymore' that CNN and especially NBC have been doing now for years. The late Tim Russert was a Democrat but anyone who ever watched him bulldog whoever came on that show would never have known it. I watched him slice Howard Dean to ribbons on June 22, 2003 - my first encounter with Mr Scream. Absolutely folded him up and mailed him home. He also destroyed phony mourner Aaron Broussard as a fraud in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, and Broussard went to the slammer for 46 months. Russert might have worked for Mario Cuomo, but he nailed Rs and Ds alike equitably.
But imagine for even a second a commentator who provided actual political coverage (not just a columnist type) in 1968 saying a candidate gave him 'a tingle' up his leg. Or the former anchor of the same network getting Tingles and his trusty sidekick Olbermann banished from Convention coverage in 2008. Or an anchor actually conspiring with the Democratic campaign to try and destroy a Presidential campaign with forged documents so obviously flawed that bloggers on the Net knew it within minutes.
They've gotten a problem and it's not just among the 5% of fringe wackos of the right or 'just' conservatives - the simple truth is that the press has spent far too long making up or exaggerating stories and now - thanks to social media - they can't get away with it anymore.
NBC made up a story in 1993 about GM trucks exploding on impact.
ABC exaggerated and 'staged' how they found out about Robert Tilton's shenanigans although their report was basically true
CNN claimed that the US government gassed deserters in Vietnam and had to backtrack.
WaPo lost a Pulitzer over a crack baby story of a figment of a journalist's imagination.
Dan Rather somehow managed to get into it with Nixon and both Bushes.
And then you have other things that make folks realize that the press doesn't investigate stuff if it doesn't fit their carefully packaged agenda.
It was NBC - not Trump - who cleverly edited a 911 tape to make George Zimmerman look like a racist.
It was CNN - not Trump - who made the erroneous claim that Zimmerman made the racial slur raccoons.
It was the press as a whole - not Trump - who suddenly decided to call Zimmerman a 'white Hispanic' and frame it as a black/white narrative.
It was the press - not Trump - who circulated the cute little picture of Trayvon pre-puberty to make it look like a vicious evil guy had whacked a tiny little child....rather than the truth that's in the forensics that can be read online that shows that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and got shot.
(Note: NONE of this needs to be taken as ANY defense of Zimmerman - let's be mature here).
And the problem is that this slanting of stories is incredibly rampant.
The networks miscalled the 1996 NH Senate race for Democrat Dick Swett (I know, I'm laughing, too).....only to find out that Robert Smith had won and get it right hours later.
the networks themselves now were conceding something--that their early projection of Democrat Dick Swett unseating GOP Sen. Robert C. Smith in New Hampshire was, well, a bit hasty. Now they were saying the race was too close to call
They managed to blow the Presidential election of 2000 TWICE in a matter of less than five hours.
They managed - despite these stumbles - to think the so-called exit polls showing Kerry winning in 2004 were ex cathedra statements from a pope...
(And one doesn't have to be any stripe of partisan to ask - "how in the hell is it you folks can only miss it in ONE direction with your projections?" There was actually an anomaly that caused the Florida problem in 2000....more than one to be honest).
The press told us Michael Brown said "hands up don't shoot." WHY? Because that's what they WANTED to believe. It's what they wanted everyone else to believe. Why else report something that was nothing more than hearsay evidence from an ALLEGED eyewitness in the first place?
And then came Election Night 2016 when the truth came out about the press right there with everyone watching. You had that African-American imbecile on CNN (don't know his name nor do I care - Van Jones maybe?) who lashed out with "this is WHITElash!" You had that bozo girl on ABC literally bawling her eyes out on live TV.....a supposedly impartial journalist. But the TRUTH came out live and in color from a group of people who consistently tell us their job is to tell us the impartial truth but don't have the ability to do that. Remember - Miss Crying Fit on TV was SUPPOSEDLY an IMPARTIAL debate moderator!!!
Anyone with a brain believe that now?
Or the infamous Candy Crowley making Mitt Romney (whom I also did not vote for) look like a lying gas bag when he was - in fact - RIGHT, which she admitted later but without all the millions who saw her dress him down on national TV seeing it.
Oh - and then the Donna Brazile report came out - how a CNN person with a long history in Democratic politics was actually setting it up with one of the campaigns. Anyone wanna buy that Brazile was impartial?
I could go on and on but the point is made: there simply is no impartial press anymore. Their credibility is gone, and it ain't ever coming back thanks to the Internet - because it's now easy for anyone to pull up where someone in the media was shameless.
And you know what? That neither endorses NOR absolve Trump of anything. It's just something anyone with open eyes can see. I can understand why someone can get a story wrong. Mistakes are made. My brother - the news producer - says covering the Boston Marathon bombing was the worst day of his life because he was a 26-year old Southerner in a Northern city having to squelch the tendency of his subordinates to want to run with something because they saw it on Twitter. (Yes, I'm serious). His biggest nightmare was that when the pictures of the bombers came out, Christians from the Middle East with so-called Arab names were being harassed incessantly....oh, and they listed one guy as a suspect who was found floating in the Providence River the next week (he had disappeared a month earlier).
Mistakes occur - that's one thing.
But nowadays their only 'mistake' is getting caught at the spin. Now, I saw a poll (before one of you is tempted to put it here) that said that folks believe the media more than they do Trump. Of course.
But so what? Trump won't be running on a ballot against 'the media' ever. It's binary in outcome. Folks don't believe much of what politicians say anyway. The bottom line is that the press - and only the press - is to blame for the fact nobody trusts them. This is a group of folks who couldn't even figure out John Edwards had a love child while the tabloids did. The 'responsible press' isn't who exposed the Reggie Bush case, either.
The press needs to be glad on this one, though.
The man is still a colossal idiot. He could simply let them there, let those who are going to boycott the WPC dinner upcoming do it - and explain it on Twitter. He will instead turn the public into "what have you got to hide" - and then we have taxes, etc.
He may be President, but that doesn't in and of itself make him smart.
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