Not so far today, but if you bring some over, I'll take a break and have a sip with you.Hittin the sauce again TW?
Not so far today, but if you bring some over, I'll take a break and have a sip with you.Hittin the sauce again TW?
so, both sides do it, but it's really clinton and obama's fault.
This is what kills me anytime these discussions are had. You (the collective you - not just you individually, CharminTide ) want to broad brush but yet when the brush is applied back toward you, there's outrage (and loads of condescension and snarkiness). To use your own rhetorical petard: it's absurd.No, let's not. That's absurd.
So, Clinton and Obama are responsible for a far right extremist shooting up a restaurant based on fake news peddled by fringe conspiracy theorists that Trump embraced during his run for president? Sure, let's go with that.
or bash little old ladies over the head with a chair, or play the knock out game with elderly, or flash mob, or kill cops because of shady reporting.yeah, people get upset when stupidity causes armed idiots to shoot up pizza parlors, shocking isn't it?
Yeah, there's been quite the epidemic what with one person doing this. Good thing no one made up a story about a cop killing an innocent unarmed guy anywhere that might have caused a riot or 3 at which at least one person was shot and killed. Thankfully, the media would protect us from such travesties.
If you put out a piece of cheese, the rats will show up.**Sigh** This is why I didn't participate in any political threads for the last 2 years. Guess I'll just go back to lurking on this forum.
This I completely agree with. Divided countries are easier to rule and to mislead, and I don't think anyone here wishes for that.I'm just ready for us as a society to be able to disagree on the issues without being disagreeable or to have our friendships and "family-ships" destroyed because of disagreeing about stupid politicians and political positions. The thought police have no place here.
What kind of "news" was the "Trump servers are communicating with Russian servers" piece?This I completely agree with. Divided countries are easier to rule and to mislead, and I don't think anyone here wishes for that.
However, I don't think it's possible to have a bipartisan conversation unless everyone is able to agree on certain basic facts. I get that most of the media sucked during this election, and there has been fake news on both sides of the political aisle (though undoubtedly more on the right this past year). But there have been a few gems of actual, honest-to-god journalism. And we need more of that to establish these basic facts that lay the foundation for conversation. Dismissing all news sources as fake, in my opinion, is a dangerous overreaction.
An investigative piece by a single news outlet that arrived at an incorrect conclusion and was debunked within 24 hours by the NYT and multiple other major news outlets. Not sure what your point is here.What kind of "news" was the "Trump servers are communicating with Russian servers" piece?
It was convenient that they looked no further, right? Do you think a professional reporter like Bob Woodward would have half-azzed this "investigation"? Clearly a case of made-up "news".An investigative piece by a single news outlet that arrived at an incorrect conclusion and was debunked within 24 hours by the NYT and multiple other major news outlets. Not sure what your point is here.
That fooled a few people here, IIRC.It was convenient that they looked no further, right? Do you think a professional reporter like Bob Woodward would have half-azzed this "investigation"? Clearly a case of made-up "news".
As soon as Democrats stop disagreeing and just give in to everything Republicans want, then we'll have the age of aquarius. But, there's a rub in there somewhere.This I completely agree with. Divided countries are easier to rule and to mislead, and I don't think anyone here wishes for that.
However, I don't think it's possible to have a bipartisan conversation unless everyone is able to agree on certain basic facts. I get that most of the media sucked during this election, and there has been fake news on both sides of the political aisle (though undoubtedly more on the right this past year). But there have been a few gems of actual, honest-to-god journalism. And we need more of that to establish these basic facts that lay the foundation for conversation. Dismissing all news sources as fake, in my opinion, is a dangerous overreaction.
Sir Edward Coke said:“Contra negantem principia non est disputandum.”
Again, shot down by more prominent news organizations within a day. Call me when Fox starts doing the same with the fake news on the right.It was convenient that they looked no further, right? Do you think a professional reporter like Bob Woodward would have half-azzed this "investigation"? Clearly a case of made-up "news".