Question: Question: Why do Off. Coordinators go away from success?

TIDE-HSV said:

You know, I can't even remember who our corner was, but he was good. After the first one, I thought "throw the fade again, Steve." And he did, twice more. He just couldn't accept that our corner was not going to allow that pass...

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BamaInMo1 said:

I understand that you can't just line up and hand off to the right and left all day long. That having been said, when you get down around the goal line you have to throw chess/balance out of the window. If you have a team down in the second half and they're stacking the box and still can't stop the run then run heavy and sneak some passes in on occasion. If the box stays loaded all day long and the passing game is working then do a lot of passing and mix a little run in along the way.

I look at the problem like this: You have two different brain disorders at work here
The first disorder is Idiotitis: This is a brain malfunction suffered by OCs who think that everything works and that if they don't create as close to 50/50 as possible in relation to run/pass then they aren't successful.

Then you have I'madanggeniousitis: this is manifested by the realization that you are the best thing since sliced bread as far as OCs go and you can outguess yourself and the other side's DC and win.

I guess if I had to have a knock against CNS it would be his thing about balance. Now keep in mind before I go any further with this comment that I have never been approached by any team whatsoever to be coach, OC, DC, etc. I think what the original poster is getting at (and correct me if I'm wrong, OP) is that instead of being so concerned with this balance thing go with what works the majority of the time with some other plays designed to keep the D off balance. And quit trying to outguess the opposing DC as well as outguessing yourself.

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TIDE-HSV said:

Thing is, Lane does exactly the opposite of this many times. It's like he's just stubbornly blind to the fact that we're still running it with eight in the box and decides he has to throw it...

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bamamc1 said:

Coach Moore always said after the play's over everybody a genius.

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CrimsonForce said:

IIRC, it was Marquise Johnson defending Alshon Jeffrey. The same exact pass 3 times..

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TIDE-HSV said:

Thing is, Lane does exactly the opposite of this many times. It's like he's just stubbornly blind to the fact that we're still running it with eight in the box and decides he has to throw it. Also, those short passes, when we need 10+ still baffle me...

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colbysullivan said:

Definitely. If Kiffin were the OC in the 2012 SECCG, I can't say for sure that he would have run kept running it over and over like Nuss did. Then again, if Kiffin were the OC, would we even be in that bad position to begin with?

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B1GTide said:

Most offensive coordinators have a script that they follow in the beginning of the game. They run those plays to see how the defenses align in response, and to find out how well they are able to defend those plays. Then most coordinators start to leverage what they learned during the running of those scripted plays throughout the rest of the game, making adjustments as the defense forces them to.

Here is where it things separate - some offensive coordinators then begin calling plays one play at a time, taking advantage of personnel and alignment weaknesses by the defense. They are playing checkers, reacting to what the other side does one play at a time. One play at a time, with a simple goal of taking what the defense gives you on that play. You don't run into a defensive alignment that had 7+ players in the box. You don't throw to receivers when there is safety help over the top of the route. So the defense tells you what not to do - you then get to choose what you want to do that isn't on the "don't do this in this situation" list.

Finally we get to the Kiffin type coordinators. These guys are playing chess. They are not calling plays one at a time. They are calling plays to set up other plays and to create advantages later in the game. These play calls might work, but to the OC it doesn't matter if the play gains yardage or not as long as he gets what he wants later in the game. For fans, this is tough to watch in the first quarter, but generally fun to watch later in the game.

The problem with the Kiffin type coordinator is that they want to play chess all the time, even when it is clear that you can destroy the other team simply by playing checkers. And the biggest problem with Kiffin in particular is that he tries to set up the huge pass play in his chess match, and Hurts really can't hit that play right now.

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