Shooting at Ft Lauderdale Airport - 5 Dead (so far)

Wow


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Esteban Santiago. Apparently had a military ID and a Star Wars T-shirt on. :conf2:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats...eban-santiago.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

hearing that there are more gunshots and at least one more shooter

It gets even weirder. Apparently, the shooter walked into the FBI office in Anchorage, AK a few months ago claiming the CIA was forcing him to join ISIS.

Strange...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...ntiago-who-was-fort-lauderdale-409914655.html

They say a few months ago, he walked into the FBI's office in Anchorage, Alaska, claiming that the CIA was forcing him to join ISIS. Officials say local police were called, and he went voluntarily to a mental health facility for treatment.

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Family saying under psych care and was never the same after returning from Iraq.

One thing a lot of shooters have in common lately is that they are mentally unhealthy. I wish that there was a way to put people getting mental health treatment to temporarily be put on a "do not sell and cannot possess" list.
How to get someone on this list is the rub. It wouldn't be a nanosecond before some divorcing wife would refer his ex-husband to the list even though the ex was not insane, just to screw with him. Or two neighbors having a boundary dispute, or one party declaring every member of the other party insane, or whatever. The guy at Sandy Hook should not have had guns in his house without a gun lock. This ignoramus in Ft. Lauderdale should have, at least temporarily, not had access to guns.

Tidewater said:

One thing a lot of shooters have in common lately is that they are mentally unhealthy. I wish that there was a way to put people getting mental health treatment to temporarily be put on a "do not sell and cannot possess" list.
How to get someone on this list is the rub. It wouldn't be a nanosecond before some divorcing wife would refer his ex-husband to the list even though the ex was not insane, just to screw with him. Or two neighbors having a boundary dispute, or one party declaring every member of the other party insane, or whatever. The guy at Sandy Hook should not have had guns in his house without a gun lock. This ignoramus in Ft. Lauderdale should have, at least temporarily, not had access to guns.

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I've proposed this before. The big problem with most lists is lack of due process. The simple way to do this is to allow health professionals to place a 48-72 hour emergency "hold" if needed on a dangerous pt or to allow anyone to petition the court. After the hold is placed a hearing must take place within a specified period of time. The pt would be evaluated by a court appointed psychiatrist and would have the right to due process, including introduction of evidence and his own expert witness/examiner. The burden would be on the state to prove the person is not mentally capable of possessing a weapon. It would not ever remove all weapons from dangerous persons but it would provide some public defense and it would take due process to remove the right and not the whim of any one person and would not rely on the political agenda that would mar a list without due process. Of course, the right to appeal and expunge would exist as well.

selmaborntidefan said:

Family saying under psych care and was never the same after returning from Iraq.

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And this is sad.


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Still quite early, but it's sounding like he may have had at least a touch of a schizophrenia. TSA allows you to check firearms and ammunition, and it appears that he retrieved these from baggage claim after landing in FLL.

Tidewater said:

One thing a lot of shooters have in common lately is that they are mentally unhealthy. I wish that there was a way to put people getting mental health treatment to temporarily be put on a "do not sell and cannot possess" list.
How to get someone on this list is the rub. It wouldn't be a nanosecond before some divorcing wife would refer his ex-husband to the list even though the ex was not insane, just to screw with him. Or two neighbors having a boundary dispute, or one party declaring every member of the other party insane, or whatever. The guy at Sandy Hook should not have had guns in his house without a gun lock. This ignoramus in Ft. Lauderdale should have, at least temporarily, not had access to guns.

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So they should have confiscated his guns?


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Crimson1967 said:

So they should have confiscated his guns?


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His? I think conclusively we can say absolutely this particular guy shouldn't have been able to get a weapon. I mean is that even under debate?

The problem is how do you create a program that keeps everyone like this from weapons while not stepping on the rights of thousands of others and I don't think you can.

What I know we need to do is fix mental health in this country. Both for VA and regular citizens.

Crimson1967 said:

So they should have confiscated his guns?

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Yes, someone that mentally deranged, as he appears to be, should not own guns.

Jon said:

What I know we need to do is fix mental health in this country. Both for VA and regular citizens.

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This I completely agree with. I wish Stacy could comment on this.

The gun was taken from his baggage in an unsecured area of the airport. Anyone can carry a gun into luggage areas at most airports so the fact that he transported his gun in his checked baggage doesn't really mean much. The guy could have picked any location to do the shooting but it does seem special to the public when done at an airport.

I don't know if this part of FLL is restricted from concealed carry but it is an area that contains mostly air travellers so the likelihood of armed citizens is low. Sounds like it was very quick; he fired enough to empty his magazines and then quit.

Flew to Cleveland and back this past week. The poor older guy behind me in security line was detained and searched over a 6oz container of shampoo in his carry on.
This guy was allowed a gun and ammo. Go figure.

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Carry-on vs checked baggage.

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Yeah I flew back from Wisconsin with 6 good upper Midwest beers in a bag I checked.