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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    Is that fair? In the same way, these illegal immigrants, poor, uneducated immigrants, terrorists, or whatever you want to call them are soaking up tax dollars, whether it be in Germany, France, Sweden, Canada, the US, etc. by having to police them, educate them, jail them, clean up after they riot etc. Instead, had you just kept them out in the first place, your tax dollars would be better spent (theoretically) on improving the lives of its citizens.

    We aren't charged to use our tax dollars to make the world a better place. That's churches and charities responsibilities. We've lost complete sight of that.
    And many of them would provide jobs, increase tax revenues, help fellow citizens, and so forth.

    I highly doubt they would be soaking up and creating more of a tax burden than our current class of deadbeat, freeloading citizens.

    Unfortunately you're trying to paint with a broad brush that doesn't translate to the real world.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    Would you say the "Christian terrorists" are far and few between v. the muslims one or do they commit about the same number of crimes?
    In America it seems pretty equal. Fearmongering aside.

    bomb-making isn't a very in demand skill in western Europe or the North America is it?
    I'd say it is considering we've used lots of bombs all over the world sticking our nose in other people's business and helping build up the hate against us that has led to your fear of every little old Muslim lady & infant in the world.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    And many of them would provide jobs, increase tax revenues, help fellow citizens, and so forth.

    I highly doubt they would be soaking up and creating more of a tax burden than our current class of deadbeat, freeloading citizens.

    Unfortunately you're trying to paint with a broad brush that doesn't translate to the real world.
    Why don't they go back to their home country and do just that then? Fight for it first, then rebuild it with the skills you are saying they have.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

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    I'd say it is considering we've used lots of bombs all over the world sticking our nose in other people's business and helping build up the hate against us that has led to your fear of every little old Muslim lady & infant in the world.
    That I agree with you. We should never have gone into Iraq or Afghanistan, but I've been very vocal in that regard.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    Why don't they go back to their home country and do just that then? Fight for it first, then rebuild it with the skills you are saying they have.
    And if we applied that to every group of immigrants throughout history there'd be no country here to even have this discussion.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by chanson78 View Post
    Fine, I will answer this with respect to any immigrants that wish to come to the US legally.

    So why do you want them here?

    The same reason Americans have wanted immigrants here all along. To grow the melting pot and further this experiment in Democracy.

    What good do you think will come out of it?

    The same that has come from immigrants coming to America for ages. Enrich and grow the country as a whole.
    How many radical Muslims do you suggest we allow into the country? Wait, if they dont have documentation how do we know if they are good Muslims or radical Muslims. I just heard Nancy Pelosi refer to President Trump as President Bush. Is she not a bit radical?

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    In America it seems pretty equal.
    Does it? I'm curious if your numbers would support it?

    One christian nutburger sets off bombs at the Atlanta Olympics after blowing up an abortion clinic. That's the only known "Christian" attack on US soil in some time, but I could be wrong.

    9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston Marathon, Ohio State, Orlando, California shootings (couple left their infants behind), even the most recent incident in Ft. Lauderdale where the dude flew from Alaska to DC to FL...he was a convert to Islam. Here's a nice working list for you to peruse.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/...-james-barrett

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    Who says all of them have nothing to offer?

    Are there radical dangerous Muslims? Sure. There are also radical dangerous Christians that have murdered/committed terror attacks here. Perhaps we need to outlaw that religion of peace as well since so many of them can't be trusted to behave.
    Rogue People committing atrocities in the name of Christianity has long been the defending argument of those defending Islam...but I dare one to find any Bible to back up their actions.....Muslims can't say the same....

    And I am far from a Bible thumping Christian....but, I am a Christian....

    To compare the beliefs of a small disingenuous few, to a blatant religion teaching killing all that don't believe their way, is a stretch..........

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    Does it? I'm curious if your numbers would support it?

    One christian nutburger sets off bombs at the Atlanta Olympics after blowing up an abortion clinic. That's the only known "Christian" attack on US soil in some time, but I could be wrong.

    9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston Marathon, Ohio State, Orlando, California shootings (couple left their infants behind), even the most recent incident in Ft. Lauderdale where the dude flew from Alaska to DC to FL...he was a convert to Islam. Here's a nice working list for you to peruse.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/...-james-barrett
    Literally 10 seconds on Google:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ence.html?_r=0

    And I'm sure I could find plenty of non-abortion attacks as well without much effort.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by danb View Post
    Rogue People committing atrocities in the name of Christianity has long been the defending argument of those defending Islam...but I dare one to find any Bible to back up their actions.....Muslims can't say the same....

    And I am far from a Bible thumping Christian....but, I am a Christian....

    To compare the beliefs of a small disingenuous few, to a blatant religion teaching killing all that don't believe their way, is a stretch..........
    I'm sorry but the Bible has been used to justify atrocities as long as there's been a bible.

    I'm not trying to attack your religion. A lot of Islam is unfortunately where Christianity was in the Dark Ages but to deny that Christianity doesn't have plenty of blood on its hands is untrue. Especially since we're lumping all of Islam to any violence committed in its name.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Displaced Bama Fan View Post
    Does it? I'm curious if your numbers would support it?

    One christian nutburger sets off bombs at the Atlanta Olympics after blowing up an abortion clinic. That's the only known "Christian" attack on US soil in some time, but I could be wrong.

    9/11, Ft. Hood, Boston Marathon, Ohio State, Orlando, California shootings (couple left their infants behind), even the most recent incident in Ft. Lauderdale where the dude flew from Alaska to DC to FL...he was a convert to Islam. Here's a nice working list for you to peruse.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/...-james-barrett
    All of that, and what is yet to come.....we were pretty cozy in the US before 9/11 opened our eyes to take notice.....

    What will it take next time, or the next, to get folks to be retroactive rather than proactive..(i.e. There hasn't been a terrorist attack on US soil.....since......)

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    Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    I'm sorry but the Bible has been used to justify atrocities as long as there's been a bible.

    I'm not trying to attack your religion. A lot of Islam is unfortunately where Christianity was in the Dark Ages but to deny that Christianity doesn't have plenty of blood on its hands is untrue. Especially since we're lumping all of Islam to any violence committed in its name.
    True, but where in the Bible does it literally tell someone to Kill non believers......throw radical nutjobs committing atrocities aside.....

    And that is ignoring the fact that you obviously ignored the first few sentences in my post you quoted, and went straight to condemning acts by Rogue Christians......
    Last edited by danb; February 8th, 2017 at 10:42 PM.

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    Re: Trump listens to Clinton & Obama on immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by MattinBama View Post
    Literally 10 seconds on Google:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ence.html?_r=0

    And I'm sure I could find plenty of non-abortion attacks as well without much effort.
    11 people v. How many in 9/11 alone?

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