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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

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    I can't relate to professional sports. But I did play athletics through college so my mindset is based in the non professional realm. For the record I don't have a "problem" with him skipping. I just pointed out what I would do.
    I was about to raise the separate question you alluded to which is the difference is team mentality between college and pro sports. I think it's more crucial in the college stage. Like, it would be strange if one teammate refused to do all the pre-bowl game activities with his teammates simply because he didn't feel like it. Yet, as a pro if a guy with a family and perhaps other time investments did the same thing it wouldn't bother me.
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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

    Quote Originally Posted by Intl.Aperture View Post
    I was about to raise the separate question you alluded to which is the difference is team mentality between college and pro sports. I think it's more crucial in the college stage. Like, it would be strange if one teammate refused to do all the pre-bowl game activities with his teammates simply because he didn't feel like it. Yet, as a pro if a guy with a family and perhaps other time investments did the same thing it wouldn't bother me.
    Though I didn't play professional baseball I'm good friends with several guys who went on to play on the professional level. One just retired two years ago after a 13 year career in professional baseball. Thanks to FB I've been able to re-connect with them (along with most of my teammates from college). I've had several "IM" conversations with a few who played pro. It's a job. A highly competitive and cut throat job. You're playing/practicing for your job EVERYDAY. Yes, they get paid handsomely for it but they have to perform at a high level EVERYDAY or someone else takes their roster spot. The enthusiasm and "fun" you had as a kid when playing is gone. If you have family you better be ready to be told at the drop of a hat. "You've been shipped down to AAA. Pack your bags, you're leaving in the morning." Family uprooted once again.

    To be honest, once you start playing on the college level it becomes closer to being like a "job" than anytime before. Granted, it's nothing like playing on the professional level. But you're playing with guys who are just as good or better than you are. The amount of practice and work that it takes to stay competitive is worlds different from high school and under.
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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

    I have no issues with this. I also had no issues with those who chose to skip during the last administration, or any other. Unless it's in their contract, I would approach it as a personal choice.
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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

    No problem either way. I rather go to Disney World myself.


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    This is such a non-story.

    I suspect that there are some of those guys who wouldn't even make this noise if it didn't get them some coverage (and I obviously am not referring to Donta). I even "get" his position in this is basically, "Look, I've already been twice, there's nothing really new, I'd like the day or so off for me time."

    My position has always been the same: if you play at the University of Alabama (or Clemson or wherever), I have no problem with you being required to go as a school representative. You don't have to like the President, but go and act like a mature adult. I felt that way with Obama, I feel that way with Trump, and I will feel that way in 2020 when Elizabeth Warren is elected President of the Socialist States of America.

    However - if you're a PRO athlete and paid employee of an entity like, say, the Patriots, do whatever you wish. I always chuckled at James Harrison because it would be easy to diss the guy as a racist since he avoided going to see Bush....but he did the same with Obama.

    Where did we ever get the naive idea that accepting an invitation as a guest of the President - whoever he or she is - constitutes a total endorsement of that individual's policies? That's as nutty as saying that if you buy Chick-fil-A, you hate non-straight people or if you shop at Target you want bathroom sexual assault to be the norm. (And yes - I'm using over the top rhetoric to demonstrate the insanity).

    The only thing I find somewhat amusing about it is that when the nation's best-known group of Arrogant Whiners (the 72 Dolphins) got to go in 2013, their three players who didn't go got called racist.

    I would have gone for Carter, Reagan, or Bush Sr if asked. I have no use for the last four people who held that office, and I'd basically tell them, "thanks but no thanks." But that's just me.
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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

    Quote Originally Posted by JBama_in_PCOLA View Post
    No problem either way. I rather go to Disney World myself.

    Ill bet you would

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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

    Personally, I think the players should go because it's a national sports tradition. National Champions are invited to the White House and meet the President. Regardless of who is President and/or whether you agree with his policies. You were invited not as an individual, of which race you belong, or what may be your religious or political affiliation or belief. It is because you are a member of the team that won the National Championship of your given sport. That's all it is, but it's still an honor to be so invited.
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    The White House is a place that a person would "want" to go and see not "have" to see because of some obligation. Not everybody is interested in the White House (or history for that matter) so, imo, this isn't a thing. People who are trying to make it a thing (just like those who try to make it a thing when Arrieta and Lester, didn't go with the Cubs) are people that are looking to stir up trouble. The visit should be for those who want to go.
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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

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    The White House is a place that a person would "want" to go and see not "have" to see because of some obligation. Not everybody is interested in the White House (or history for that matter) so, imo, this isn't a thing. People who are trying to make it a thing (just like those who try to make it a thing when Arrieta and Lester, didn't go with the Cubs) are people that are looking to stir up trouble. The visit should be for those who want to go.
    Well yeah, if your particular school, organization, etc., wins some sort of raffle and the prize was a trip to the White House.
    But I think individuals should show their team the respect they deserve. Now if I'm the team owner, coach, etc. and a team member disrespects his team like this, he will more than likely have some similar disrespect coming his way next season. That is, if he's still with the team next season.
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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    Though I didn't play professional baseball I'm good friends with several guys who went on to play on the professional level. One just retired two years ago after a 13 year career in professional baseball. Thanks to FB I've been able to re-connect with them (along with most of my teammates from college). I've had several "IM" conversations with a few who played pro. It's a job. A highly competitive and cut throat job. You're playing/practicing for your job EVERYDAY. Yes, they get paid handsomely for it but they have to perform at a high level EVERYDAY or someone else takes their roster spot. The enthusiasm and "fun" you had as a kid when playing is gone. If you have family you better be ready to be told at the drop of a hat. "You've been shipped down to AAA. Pack your bags, you're leaving in the morning." Family uprooted once again.

    To be honest, once you start playing on the college level it becomes closer to being like a "job" than anytime before. Granted, it's nothing like playing on the professional level. But you're playing with guys who are just as good or better than you are. The amount of practice and work that it takes to stay competitive is worlds different from high school and under.
    I concur with based on my experience of running XC and track in college. I enjoyed it for the competition side of it, and helping the team compete for SEC titles, but it is a job. A friend of mine who was a gymnast at Alabama while I was there said the same thing. She loved the experience it gave her and the relationships she made on the team, but it is a job, regardless if you're getting a scholarship or not.
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    Re: Donta' Hightower and 2 Other Patriots Not Going to WH

    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Reb View Post
    Well yeah, if your particular school, organization, etc., wins some sort of raffle and the prize was a trip to the White House.
    But I think individuals should show their team the respect they deserve. Now if I'm the team owner, coach, etc. and a team member disrespects his team like this, he will more than likely have some similar disrespect coming his way next season. That is, if he's still with the team next season.
    Someone probably tried to tell Robert Kraft that Dont'a isn't going to the White House but Kraft couldn't hear them over the sound of the money waterfall he just had installed in his living room.

    No dollar bills allowed, just straight up Sacajawea gold dollars.

    Makes for a terrible distraction when guests are over but it's just too marvelous a sight for Kraft to care. Coincidentally I hear the whole machine powering the waterfall is operated pneumatically- it's true, the gears are spun by using the air from over-inflated footballs. Each ball releases a few PSI at a time until they are to Tom Brady's liking at which time they are shipped to him.
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    And now a fourth Patriot says he's not going...



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