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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    Good job taking the issue seriously. It's one thing to forget the Vince Foster stuff. I don't think about it, either. But the server thing, the lying about Benghazi actually happened. It's not a conspiracy. The left would be much better served by taking it seriously, and we could have an honest debate over policy.


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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    Nah, they only invoke Clinton's name so they don't have to discuss the actual issues here. It's the meekest form of deflection.

    So Flynn resigned. We know that Sally Yates warned Trump over a month ago that Flynn may have been compromised. In the context of everything else we know about Trump's ties to Russia, why was that warning dismissed, and did it play into her firing in any way? When did Trump and his top staff first know about Flynn's involvement with Russia? Would he still be on staff if this hadn't been made public?
    I can answer the last question... Yes, yes he would. Politicians never do anything wrong until it is made public.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    "but hillary/bill clinton..." has long been a crutch

    since the early 90's, people have been telling me (with associated pearl clutching and hair on fire) that i have to be very concerned with the nefarious clintons and their wrong doings. i stopped taking those folks seriously long ago.
    I think automatic dismissal of folks like that is risky. I think we can look at the White House and see why it's risky. I didn't believe or listen to my own fanatical family on the matter and they got the guy they voted for elected. A lot of people have been referring to a passage from Dietrich Bonhoeffer's "Letters And Papers From Prison" where he talks about how stupidity is more dangerous than malice. I won't post it here because I'm not yet ready to throw every Trump voter under the bus of stupidity but I think there was a medley of elements that got Trump elected and to dismiss or ignore them is exactly what Bonhoeffer exhorts his readers NOT to do.
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    It's only three weeks in, and Trump's highly unpopular selection for National Security Adviser had to resign in disgrace and scandal. This really is a disaster for the administration and cannot be understated.

    You have to wonder how long the GOP can simply ignore Trump's ties to Russia.
    I think that people are overestimating how destructive these things are. In a normal presidential term, I agree, these things would and should be absolutely detrimental and devastating for Senate/House reelection chances. However I think we are operating in a completely different environment. Gerrymandering has made the majority of Republican and Democratic seats in the house all but bulletproof. As a result, there are many who are perfectly happy with the fact that there is someone who is "shaking up" D.C. and this is obviously some of that shake up. I imagine some constituents who are saying "If he wasn't pushing the boundaries, he wouldn't be trying."

    There is a Republican majority in the Legislative, soon to be one in the Judicial, and one in the Executive. I believe Republicans are holding their nose because they get to get away with far more with Trump as POTUS than if Pence were in there. Say what you will, but Pence is a political operator magnitudes better than Trump will ever be. If I was congress I would be trying to pass the craziest crap without even seeing if it passed muster, and then throw that responsibility on Trump. "It's his fault, he wasn't fit for office. Oh you mean that legislation that is now law? I guess we would have to back it all out, we will get to it next session."

    Also don't forget, while Trump has some of the lowest approval ratings ever for a President so early in his term, there are still a vast number of people who are eating this up. They love the populist authoritarian. These are also the same people who control the majority of the so heavily gerrymandered districts. I imagine you could show a picture of Trump actually sitting on Putin's lap while Putin had his hand up the back of Trumps shirt and these same people would say it was all a Leftist conspiracy to make Trump look bad.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    Good job taking the issue seriously. It's one thing to forget the Vince Foster stuff. I don't think about it, either. But the server thing, the lying about Benghazi actually happened. It's not a conspiracy. The left would be much better served by taking it seriously, and we could have an honest debate over policy.
    Since it was all investigated ad nauseam to no avail, maybe it would now be better to focus in the mess currently happening within the whitehouse.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    Since it was all investigated ad nauseam to no avail, maybe it would now be better to focus in the mess currently happening within the whitehouse.
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    Since it was all investigated ad nauseam to no avail, maybe it would now be better to focus in the mess currently happening within the whitehouse.
    right?

    Many of us, including little old "Statist" me bashed Clinton on her server and she deserved it, at the time. But that ship has sailed and as for Bengazi all I ever saw there was some bad mistakes by stupid politicians who then put the best spin on what happened. Like Carter with the failed hostage rescue, Bush with Iraq and now Trump with his recent disaster in Yemen. None of these things are prosecutable, they are mistakes that cost American lives and that is very sad. Did she deserve the criticism then? Certainly, but that has nothing to do with now.

    and to Prof and others, If we concede that Clinton is a liar can we move on and discuss what is going on now? If so I got y'all, She is a liar
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    Without climbing up on a scaffold as a martyr, or compromising anonymity, I'm just going to stay I was outspoken about Trump in a way that was personally risky. I opposed him then and I oppose him now.

    But we're just BS'ing on a message board, so I thought I'd lay it out there. What we say right here doesn't amount to a whole lot.

    By the way - I just love the whole, if they're really guilty, the authorities will do something about it.

    That's right - as Bama fans - we ought to know that doesn't carry much water. "If Cam was really paid, then why didn't the NCAA..." "If Jameis really raped that girl, the prosecutor would have...." But for what it's worth, Bill Clinton would have been removed from office had Arlen Specter not cited Scottish law. So the authorities and Congress are not without their own issues.


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    that's funny I am told here every day that only the left is intolerant of their members not towing the party line
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by gtowntide View Post
    The scary thing is they are totally serious. I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican this president's cozying up with the Russians is outrageous. Flynn was acting as a private citizen so are we to believe he was acting on his own? It's so obvious this administration thinks it can do whatever it wants to without following any law. Trump wanted to get a message to old buddy Vladimir to be cool and the sanctions Obama issued would be removed as soon as they got sworn in.
    What on earth does Putin have on Trump? Has Pence sold his soul to be VP?
    And I suppose the last administration was a beacon or truth and law?
    Wasn't it Obama who said to Putin "Wait till I get re-elected. I'll have more room"? So it seems that Trump isn't the only one dealing with the Russians.
    Let's talk about the socialists and communists that the previous administration was riddled with. Not to mention the Muslims.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInMo1 View Post
    And I suppose the last administration was a beacon or truth and law?
    Wasn't it Obama who said to Putin "Wait till I get re-elected. I'll have more room"? So it seems that Trump isn't the only one dealing with the Russians.
    Let's talk about the socialists and communists that the previous administration was riddled with. Not to mention the Muslims.
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    I'm not a fan of either administration cozying up with the Russians. Clinton had her ties with them as well. Day in and day out, Trump's seem to be far more overt than either of the other two were, though, and that's deeply concerning.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TideEngineer08 View Post
    I'm not a fan of either administration cozying up with the Russians. Clinton had her ties with them as well. Day in and day out, Trump's seem to be far more overt than either of the other two were, though, and that's deeply concerning.
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    "China's transgender Oprah"????

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