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    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    All I'm saying is that there's a group of posters here who seem to fall over themselves in order to bring Clinton into conversations that have nothing to do with her,
    My comment was directed at HSV's "Petraus is a confessed criminal" not at Flynn. The reason I brought THE Clinton(s) up was because whether or not convicted for it or not there was findings that did indicate that one of the them slept with a person that wasnt his spouse at a position of high authority, and the other leaked classified information. Both are two things that Petraus did. So no it was not a deflection at all.

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    and you've done it twice in 24 hours. If Trump nominates her to replace Flynn, then she'll be relevant here.
    Well....

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    USA Today: Flynn apologizes after admitting he may have discussed sanctions with Russia

    National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has apologized amid reports that Flynn discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with the Russian ambassador in the days before President Trump's inauguration, a White House official said... The White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive personnel matter, said Flynn now says he may have discussed sanctions, but cannot be 100% certain.

    The controversy involves a phone call in late December with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, amid the Obama administration's crackdown in retaliation for Russian hacking during the 2016 presidential campaign. The timing of the phone call — and Russia's decision not to retaliate against the U.S. measures — have raised further questions about the relationship between Trump's inner circle and the Kremlin.

    Initially, Flynn said he did not discuss sanctions with Kislyak, a denial passed onto the public by Trump spokesman Sean Spicer and Pence, among others. In past weeks, Flynn has said the conversation was general in nature, including holiday greetings.

    After a Washington Post story last week cited nine unnamed intelligence sources as saying Flynn and the Russian ambassador did discuss sanctions, the national security adviser adjusted his story.


    Well he apologized, so I guess it's okay.
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    Remind me of all the dead US citizens in Russia because of General Flynn....
    Again I took it as you bringing her into the conversation and comparing the two. I dont watch Arrested Development so I believe you werent after you said it. So it wasnt a deflection it was a response to what I took as a comparison.


    FWIW If you think this "deflection" stuff only goes on when a Republican is in power then you ought to look at some of the memes some of your fellow liberals were putting in the Nuke deal thread about equating stuff to Reagan. Point is this isnt anywhere near Republican only.
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInMo1 View Post
    And I suppose the last administration was a beacon or truth and law?
    Wasn't it Obama who said to Putin "Wait till I get re-elected. I'll have more room"? So it seems that Trump isn't the only one dealing with the Russians.
    Let's talk about the socialists and communists that the previous administration was riddled with. Not to mention the Muslims.
    Dude, this is exactly what we are talking about. Deferring to the last administration, who are no longer governing, does not absolve whatever missteps or wrongs are being committed by the current administration. Deflecting to them doesn't correct what is happening now. 2 wrongs don't make a right. I don't know how many other ways there are to say it. As a fellow conservative I plead with you to stop using this argument(?) as a way to defend the current government. Wrong is wrong, and if our side is doing it we need to scream at the top of our lungs for them to stop.
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    Trying to be a pathological liar to cover for a pathological liar is tiring work based on how she's looking.

    Poor Baghdad Barbie.

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    Republicans vow to get to the bottom of the Flynn issue

    By ensuring that they find out who illegally leaked the fact that the NSAdvisor had done illegal things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox News
    In the wake of Michael Flynn’s resignation as national security adviser, President Trump and Republican allies on Capitol Hill are turning their attention to the potentially “illegal” leaks that revealed Flynn's politically fatal discussions with a Russian diplomat and other sensitive details from inside the administration.

    ...snip...

    Senate homeland security committee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., told Fox News that “somebody in the nebulous intelligence community” would have had access to the Flynn discussions.

    “Who tapped the phones, who was listening to it, who leaked it? I think those are legitimate questions to ask,” he told Fox News on Tuesday. “Leaks of this nature are incredibly damaging to America … and we need to look into it.”
    So let me get this straight. Ron Johnson believes that leaking the fact that someone who could sit in the NSC has closer ties to Russia than they had been willing to disclose publicly, is more of a threat than that guy actually being on the NSC.

    It's business as usual in D.C. The swamp isn't draining, and the only difference is that the cheeto in chief, who brought all his wacko buddies to the swamp, are now getting the alligators to circle the wagons.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    This is how you handle the president.

    Russian officials defend Flynn, say admin may be infected by 'Russophobia'

    This is how you handle Trump to get him to do what you want. This will end well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox News
    "Either Trump has not gained the requisite independence and he is consequently being not unsuccessfully backed into a corner, or Russophobia has already infected the new administration also from top to bottom," MP Konstantin Kosachev said, according to news reports out of the country.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    I don't venture over this way too much anymore, but for what it's worth.

    I've said this before in another thread but I'm just floored how some of you are able to ignore HRC's issues. I'm going to agree with almost every criticism of Trump and his staff - a trainwreck and a disaster. Frankly we'd all be better served he resigned or were impeached and we could just simply have partisan and ideological debates with President Pence - none of this other stuff that is getting in the way right now.

    So with it clear that I am not carrying water for DJT - I even did a spot on talk radio as a "Never Trump" conservative - the way those of you on the left deflect on Clinton is really astounding. Not saying she should be tarred and feathered, but her lying about Benghazi and the email server business were serious issues - disqualifying for office, reckless and in the latter case, quite possibly illegal. And no, don't tell me the FBI was going to indict her late in a campaign. I'm fully willing to believe there's a level of illegality that could be ignored if indictment meant a dust-up of the magnitude that would have occurred at HRC been indicted after the convention.

    It's obviously not politically expedient for the GOP to worry about this anymore, but it's a neat little trick the Democrats and some - but not all - media members have going on. Declare something a non-story and then make the GOP look like the crazy side. You realize that's exactly what Kevin Scarbinsky and Jay Jacobs did to us during the Cam Newton ordeal?

    Again - this cuts both ways. Honest men and women in the GOP need to cowboy up and call this BS what it is. But the inability to acknowledge Clinton's misgivings is still a problem on its own terms.

    Now, back to Flynn. Very glad he's gone, but worried for what's to come. Just hope we can show DJT the door without too much damage in the meantime.


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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonProf View Post
    Good job taking the issue seriously. It's one thing to forget the Vince Foster stuff. I don't think about it, either. But the server thing, the lying about Benghazi actually happened. It's not a conspiracy. The left would be much better served by taking it seriously, and we could have an honest debate over policy.


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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    My comment was directed at HSV's "Petraus is a confessed criminal" not at Flynn. The reason I brought THE Clinton(s) up was because whether or not convicted for it or not there was findings that did indicate that one of the them slept with a person that wasnt his spouse at a position of high authority, and the other leaked classified information. Both are two things that Petraus did. So no it was not a deflection at all.



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    Again I took it as you bringing her into the conversation and comparing the two. I dont watch Arrested Development so I believe you werent after you said it. So it wasnt a deflection it was a response to what I took as a comparison.


    FWIW If you think this "deflection" stuff only goes on when a Republican is in power then you ought to look at some of the memes some of your fellow liberals were putting in the Nuke deal thread about equating stuff to Reagan. Point is this isnt anywhere near Republican only.
    Did you miss the fact that he IS a confessed criminal? Fined and two years probation? We would have a security chief who's confessed to voluntarily disclosing classified information to his mistress? How long have you been asleep?
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Did you miss the fact that he IS a confessed criminal? Fined and two years probation? We would have a security chief who's confessed to voluntarily disclosing classified information to his mistress? How long have you been asleep?
    Never said I think he SHOULD be the advisor. In fact I was leaning the other way in my response to your post by suggesting the only reason Trump would give him the nod was to be controversial. I would much prefer Harward, and this is coming from a person who served under petraus in OEF. So no I haven't been asleep at all, but it's hard not to wonder why Petraus was crucified and others (far more than the Clintons) had done the exact same things, but just got a slap on the wrist at most for doing it. Maybe it had to do with Ike's warnings during his farewell speech, IDK.

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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Never said I think he SHOULD be the advisor. In fact I was leaning the other way in my response to your post by suggesting the only reason Trump would give him the nod was to be controversial. I would much prefer Harward, and this is coming from a person who served under petraus in OEF. So no I haven't been asleep at all, but it's hard not to wonder why Petraus was crucified and others (far more than the Clintons) had done the exact same things, but just got a slap on the wrist at most for doing it. Maybe it had to do with Ike's warnings during his farewell speech, IDK.
    there were several articles written this past year about the difference in petraeus' and clinton's cases.

    here is one of them link
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Never said I think he SHOULD be the advisor. In fact I was leaning the other way in my response to your post by suggesting the only reason Trump would give him the nod was to be controversial. I would much prefer Harward, and this is coming from a person who served under petraus in OEF. So no I haven't been asleep at all, but it's hard not to wonder why Petraus was crucified and others (far more than the Clintons) had done the exact same things, but just got a slap on the wrist at most for doing it. Maybe it had to do with Ike's warnings during his farewell speech, IDK.
    Never suggested he chose anyone just for being controversial. I don't know where the hell you got that. However, now you mention it, I do think it's a factor in his deranged selections...
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Never suggested he chose anyone just for being controversial. I don't know where the hell you got that. However, now you mention it, I do think it's a factor in his deranged selections...
    Touching Petraus for a top advisory position is just wanting to add controversy. I think if he wants to have the best he should have someone that isnt well known, but is very capable. I still think Harward is the only choice unless you want a former under SECDEF like general cartwright or general Don Bacon (currently US rep from Nebraska).
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    Re: CNN reporting Flynn resignation...

    Quote Originally Posted by CharminTide View Post
    So Flynn resigned. We know that Sally Yates warned Trump over a month ago that Flynn may have been compromised. In the context of everything else we know about Trump's ties to Russia, why was that warning dismissed, and did it play into her firing in any way? When did Trump and his top staff first know about Flynn's involvement with Russia? Would he still be on staff if this hadn't been made public?
    Sean Spicer just said Trump knew about this 17 days ago.

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