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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbaloo View Post
    People do tend to gather (live) along racial, national origin, religious and political lines (herd mentality). Splitting those lines in order to get your preferred mix is gerrymandering. The above example should (but may not) be the most equitable way of dividing districts.
    Yup. Justice is suppose to be blind. So should be redistricting.

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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Interesting article in Politico about gerrymandering. It generally reflects my skepticism on the demonization of gerrymandering.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/could-gerrymandering-be-good-for-democracy-119581?o=1


    ...the notion that so many of our political ills stem from gerrymandering is, in fact, a bad idea that simply will not die—what we call a Zombie Myth. And when it comes to Zombie Myths in American politics, gerrymandering remains one of the most persistent. Actual evidence from political science research shows only weak correlations between gerrymandering and both polarization and electoral competitiveness. So why does the Zombie Myth persist? We think three major misconceptions are to blame.
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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by bama_wayne1 View Post
    So the article says that this guy's program completely ignores race. I don't have a problem with that but the Voting Rights Act would. Down here in Alabama that would probably mean some races could have no representation. That in my opinion is going backwards.
    I did appreciate that the column acknowledges that the Voting Rights Act itself is a driver of the gerrymandering that some see as "bad".
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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    Yup. Justice is suppose to be blind. So should be redistricting.
    What is the point of districting in your opinion?
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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    Interesting article in Politico about gerrymandering. It generally reflects my skepticism on the demonization of gerrymandering.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/could-gerrymandering-be-good-for-democracy-119581?o=1
    That article assumes that the best solution is to have districts that reflect the voters party bias. The issue with Gerrymandering isn't so much the fact that it gives you a reflection of the actual distribution according to party lines with regards to the states population. The problem is that by turning districts into a lock for either side you are ensuring that the people who make it to the primary are much more to the extreme on on both sides. If you were able to flip a district because it wasn't a foregone conclusion you might actually have more moderates running. With more moderates, they may actually work to be reasonable instead of obstructionist when they actually get on the job. However I know you actually don't believe that there is any good that can come from legislators passing bills, so gerrymandering helps maintain the status quo because we keep sending ill behaving children to congress where all they can do is shout at each other in an attempt to keep proving their record that they are extreme enough to get reelected in their district.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chanson78 View Post
    However I know you actually don't believe that there is any good that can come from legislators passing bills, so gerrymandering helps maintain the status quo because we keep sending ill behaving children to congress where all they can do is shout at each other in an attempt to keep proving their record that they are extreme enough to get reelected in their district.
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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by chanson78 View Post
    I know you actually don't believe that there is any good that can come from legislators passing bills...
    You are generally correct at least with respect to the federal government.

    A significantly less active federal government would be more impactful on reducing partisanship and extremism rather than implementing yet another version of gerrymandering.
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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    Both of your suggestions are pie in the sky and will never happen.

    And as long as we keep the EC, a state with a brain has zero incentive to limit its clout by splitting its EVs.
    Now you know why you won't be receiving a Valentine's card from Maine and Nebraska.

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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamaro View Post
    Thats kind of my point. Gerrymandering is much more about the House.
    Maybe. Take a look at Maryland's (or North Carolina's, etc.) congressional district maps before the foundation of the Justice Department and after.

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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    You are generally correct at least with respect to the federal government.

    A significantly less active federal government would be more impactful on reducing partisanship and extremism rather than implementing yet another version of gerrymandering.
    Both parties (to varying degrees and at different times) have fought tooth and nail to centralize power in Washington, then, having dumped a giant pile of poo on the banks of the Potomac, stand back and say, "Hey, where'd these flies come from?"

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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by Tide1986 View Post
    What is the point of districting in your opinion?
    The only purpose should be to have similar population numbers in each. That is what a computer program could easily deliver.

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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Until you remove the politicians gerrymandering will always be an issue.No mere computer program can solve that aspect.
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    Re: WP: Computer Programmer Solved Gerrymandering

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles16 View Post
    Until you remove the politicians gerrymandering will always be an issue.No mere computer program can solve that aspect.
    Here's what I found more than a little ironic about gerrymandering.
    The Justice Department decided that only a black person can represent a black person's interests, so they approved districts that lump lots of black people together (including at one point a district that included only one lane of Interstate 85 in North Carolina) so they could get a black-majority district so black people could be represented.
    Two problems.
    1. With a big hunk of black Virginians in the Va 3rd District, black voters elsewhere in the state lost a lot of political clout. Democrats knew they had them and Republicans knew they could not get them, so neither tried wooing black voters.
    2. I lived in the Va 3rd while Bobby Scott was carrying Bill Clinton's water in the House. If only a Rep. of the same color as the voter can represent that voter, who was my representative? Justice's answer: virtual representation: other white Representatives were representing my interests in Congress while I was living in the Va. 3rd. The colonies fought a war against the idea of virtual representation in Parliament, because the idea is ridiculous.

    Race-based gerrymandering. An anti-American idea that politically marginalizes black people. Brought to you by the Justice Department. Way to go fellas.

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