ESPN Reporting Daboll is New OC

rgw

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In my opinion, the transition from NFL to CFB is just as difficult as the CFB to NFL transition. This is my biggest concern: the college game is very much a different ball game as an offensive play caller. Your QBs are less capable - even the great ones are still young and inexperienced - so the game is called differently. Heck, the rules are different enough to cause one to call screens far more often than in the pros.
 

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In my opinion, the transition from NFL to CFB is just as difficult as the CFB to NFL transition. This is my biggest concern: the college game is very much a different ball game as an offensive play caller. Your QBs are less capable - even the great ones are still young and inexperienced - so the game is called differently. Heck, the rules are different enough to cause one to call screens far more often than in the pros.
Well, the good thing is there are a lot of experienced offensive coaches with years and years of experience to help Daboll with the transition.
 

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This is why I'm leaning more to the tenth assistant being a QB coach. Would work more along the NFL offensive style and put Daboll's full concentration on the game plan while allowing a dedicated person to work with the QBs.


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Maybe Daboll being named QB coach is temporary? Not certain of his QB expertise.
 

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This is why I'm leaning more to the tenth assistant being a QB coach. Would work more along the NFL offensive style and put Daboll's full concentration on the game plan while allowing a dedicated person to work with the QBs.


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I'm thinking more along the line of the 10th assistant being a QB/officials assistant. I can see where it would be beneficial to have an assistant that would study the tendencies of the different officials and what penalties they call or don't. This goes back to our last game against Clemson. They knew the officials would let them get away with a rub where some officials would have called it as a penalty.
 

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I'm thinking more along the line of the 10th assistant being a QB/officials assistant. I can see where it would be beneficial to have an assistant that would study the tendencies of the different officials and what penalties they call or don't. This goes back to our last game against Clemson. They knew the officials would let them get away with a rub where some officials would have called it as a penalty.
We're not going to have an on-field assistant for that when we can use a GA or analyst to do the research.
 

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Saban is likely to hire one of these QB specialists or a kick/punt specialist to be honest. Anything else can be handled by off-field analysts.
 

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My view is that this is a developmental hire for CNS. He chose someone with little experience in coaching college offenses. Conversely, he is someone that CNS has experience with, having had him as a grad assistant at Michigan State. Given his lack of experience, he is unlikely to be wooed away to another job anytime soon. And his lack of experience means he is unlikely to come with many preconceived notions that will clash with CNS's offensive proclivities. So look for fewer *** chewings on the sideline, something we saw a lot with Kiffen. I think if he is successful, I think he is likely to be around for a while. OTOH, he is pretty much an unknown quantity. No one can tell if he will succeed or not.
 

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Daboll is not a story creator like Kiffin and Sarkisian but he is a guy who has been around a bunch of winning within the Belichick-Saban establishment. My inkling is that he's going to bring the Pats system to Tuscaloosa and we're not going to be as bland on the football field as this hire was in print.
 

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I can say that if Bill Bellichick says the guy can coach then I will have to agree. Same goes with CNS. On the OD this morning del greco said he thought we had to "settle" with this hire. My statement to him would be: we didn't have to hire a search firm to come up with a guy that was still coaching high school a few years ago. If there are organizations at the highest level of football willing to pay you to run their offense, you might be a decent coach.
It's interesting that folks like Del Greco and Finebaum are claiming we settled with this hire. I'm not sure how big the pool of choices were at this late date. I think we've got a ton of talent, this guy comes highly recommended by the best HC in the game, and Nick Saban is still our HC. I think we'll be fine.
 

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Daboll is not a story creator like Kiffin and Sarkisian but he is a guy who has been around a bunch of winning within the Belichick-Saban establishment. My inkling is that he's going to bring the Pats system to Tuscaloosa and we're not going to be as bland on the football field as this hire was in print.
rgw, you always have a way of putting things that make an old poster like me feel better.
 

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It's interesting that folks like Del Greco and Finebaum are claiming we settled with this hire. I'm not sure how big the pool of choices were at this late date. I think we've got a ton of talent, this guy comes highly recommended by the best HC in the game, and Nick Saban is still our HC. I think we'll be fine.
I agree with you. And I think the "settling" comment is just a sign of the times in CFB. If it's not flashy or exciting then it must be a questionable hire. Well, guess what? We have elite talent, coaching, conditioning, and winning experience - an OC that develops our QB and offense, schemes intelligently, and puts our guys in position IS ALL WE NEED.
 

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Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
It's interesting that folks like Del Greco and Finebaum are claiming we settled with this hire. I'm not sure how big the pool of choices were at this late date. I think we've got a ton of talent, this guy comes highly recommended by the best HC in the game, and Nick Saban is still our HC. I think we'll be fine.
Yeah, I'll be completely honest with y'all. If Gus had made this hire, I would not have been happy. Belichick and Saban's (earned) credibility, however, leads me to believe that there's something there I'm just not seeing.
 

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Yeah, I'll be completely honest with y'all. If Gus had made this hire, I would not have been happy.
If the OC-in-waiting for the Patriots gave even the slightest scintilla of consideration to taking up with Rube Malzahnberg's offensive contraption, the only happiness anywhere would belong to the shrinks who had formed a line from Cape Cod to Foxboro for examining Dabol's head...
 

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Daboll is not a story creator like Kiffin and Sarkisian but he is a guy who has been around a bunch of winning within the Belichick-Saban establishment. My inkling is that he's going to bring the Pats system to Tuscaloosa and we're not going to be as bland on the football field as this hire was in print.
In other words...CNS is looking for stability...which is something we've lacked at this position. The last two years we've wondered if CLK would stay or leave. That's not counting the rumors of "in-season" drama with off the field issues.

Steady goes it as we move forward.
 

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In other words...CNS is looking for stability...which is something we've lacked at this position. The last two years we've wondered if CLK would stay or leave. That's not counting the rumors of "in-season" drama with off the field issues.

Steady goes it as we move forward.
Not so fast on the stability front. There was a lot of speculation that if Josh McDaniels had landed a HC job that Daboll would have stepped into OC for the Patriots. I'm assuming Daboll would still be strongly considered for the position if McDaniels were to leave the Patriots next year..
 

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Not so fast on the stability front. There was a lot of speculation that if Josh McDaniels had landed a HC job that Daboll would have stepped into OC for the Patriots. I'm assuming Daboll would still be strongly considered for the position if McDaniels were to leave the Patriots next year..
I think we'll always have coaches that are targets (especially when we do well) but with CLK and CSS as former head coaches and everybody knowing that's probably their aim again...Daboll's hire is "low key/low drama" compared to those two and the perception that Bama was just a brief stop.

Same could happen with Daboll, especially if we reel off another NC next year, but I think CNS maybe sees a guy who might coach in this role a few years before his next promotion.
 

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I think this hire by Saban is more a statement that he is going back to his bread and butter which is developing coaches as well as players rather than rely on name coordinators who were also former head coaches. I also think this hire basically is a statement to Jalen that if you want to learn a prostyle system that is what we are going to run and it's up to him to learn it and execute it.

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Not so fast on the stability front. There was a lot of speculation that if Josh McDaniels had landed a HC job that Daboll would have stepped into OC for the Patriots. I'm assuming Daboll would still be strongly considered for the position if McDaniels were to leave the Patriots next year..
He may do a good job but a cynical part of me thinks it's almost like a loaner type deal from Belichik. Look, it's only a matter of time before McDaniels moves on to a HC gig and that OC position opens up. If Belichik wants him Daboll would be crazy not to take it. This way he gets a season or 2 of getting back into the groove calling plays and implementing his offense or whatever variation of McDaniels' and Belichik's offense he runs. I'm fine with the hire but OC and DC are fairly transient positions. We were lucky to have Kirby for as long as we did, I don't expect to have Daboll for that same length of time, especially if we have success.
 

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I'm happy with the hire. Several years of OC experience in the NFL, Brett Favre's QB "coach" (more like student), and understudy to Josh McDaniels. Not to mention that he thrived in Belichick's demanding system of assistants. I think that is more than McIlwain brought to the table when he came on-board.

Pretty solid credentials. The more I read into his experience, the happier I am about it.

Bonus: Paul Finebaum doesn't like it, so there's quality in that alone. :biggrin:
 

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