WH to no longer contest TX voter ID law

crimsonaudio · Feb 27, 2017

jthomas666 said:
it's more than just a little disingenuous to claim that the GOP is just trying to protect the sanctity of the election.

I've not made that claim one time. I'm simply saying that's not the only motivation (if it is), as there are people like me who are not repubs who want voter ID laws in place only because it makes sense. Calling it voter suppression seems a bit insane to me, but since a judge said it has to be true.

seebell · Feb 27, 2017

Tide1986 said:
As I think about it, there are at least two questions about using turnout of registered voters:

(1) To what degree does the number of registered voters actually reflect people living in the state at any given time?

(2) To what degree does being registered equate with being an eligible/legal voter?

Don't know about #1

Ideally,100% of registered voters are legal voters. Reality is slightly different. If you are registered the government has declared you a legal voter. Can you register without a photo ID?

Tide1986 · Feb 27, 2017

seebell said:
Don't know about #1

Ideally,100% of registered voters are legal voters. Reality is slightly different. If you are registered the government has declared you a legal voter. Can you register without a photo ID?

For Georgia the answer is not clear. A valid GA driver's license or ID card is required, but one may register online or via snail mail ostensibly without matching yourself to the photo.

jthomas666 · Feb 27, 2017

crimsonaudio said:
I've not made that claim one time. I'm simply saying that's not the only motivation (if it is), as there are people like me who are not repubs who want voter ID laws in place only because it makes sense. Calling it voter suppression seems a bit insane to me, but since a judge said it has to be true.

The comment wasn't directed at you; apologies for not making that clearer. You commented on how people other than the GOP supported voter ID laws. My response was that there is a difference between the idea of voter registration and the specific implementation we've seen from the GOP. Keep in mind that judge was commenting on the NC law, not the idea of voter ID laws in general.

day-day · Feb 27, 2017

Tide1986 said:
For Georgia the answer is not clear. A valid GA driver's license or ID card is required, but one may register online or via snail mail ostensibly without matching yourself to the photo.

I think it is the same in Tennessee. The person can register online but has to vote the first time in person and show ID. After that, the person can vote on an absentee ballot.

This is how out-of-state (or out-of-county for that matter) college students could vote. The problem is that most of these college students would not have had the opportunity to vote in person so they would have to register in person with an ID rather than online in order to vote on an absentee ballot. There is also the opportunity to vote early in person so maybe a college student could get home for this after registering online. I mention the college student scenario because many college students are not residents where their school is located and would not be able to vote locally.

NationalTitles18 · Feb 27, 2017

day-day said:
I think it is the same in Tennessee. The person can register online but has to vote the first time in person and show ID. After that, the person can vote on an absentee ballot.

This is how out-of-state (or out-of-county for that matter) college students could vote. The problem is that most of these college students would not have had the opportunity to vote in person so they would have to register in person with an ID rather than online in order to vote on an absentee ballot. There is also the opportunity to vote early in person so maybe a college student could get home for this after registering online. I mention the college student scenario because many college students are not residents where their school is located and would not be able to vote locally.

A college student may either vote in their home state or at their college locale (with caveats).

Tide1986 · Feb 27, 2017

NationalTitles16 said:
A college student may either vote in their home state or at their college locale (with caveats).

It seems that with very little extra effort they could vote in both, especially if home is in another state.

NationalTitles18 · Feb 27, 2017

Tide1986 said:
It seems that with very little extra effort they could vote in both, especially if home is in another state.

It would be a crime, presumably in both locales, but it could be done.

jthomas666 · Feb 27, 2017

Tide1986 said:
It seems that with very little extra effort they could vote in both, especially if home is in another state.

Do you have any evidence of this happening, or has the StayPuft Strawmallowman entered the building?

NationalTitles18 · Feb 27, 2017

P.S. I could conceivably vote in both CA and AL, but I didn't (and won't).

Bama Reb · Feb 27, 2017

crimsonaudio said:
It continues to amaze me that one has to have ID to do even the most mundane things, such as purchasing alcohol, driving a car, even flying on a plane, yet somehow voting - the very foundation of our society - is treated differently.

I cannot logically work through it. I know the stats, etc., but I just don't care - you want to vote? Show your picture ID.

It would be easier to make a list of those activities for which you do not need a picture ID than for those you do. For instance, I just had to buy new handicap tags for the vehicle we use to transport Mrs. Reb. I had to go in person along with my Driver License and a handful of other papers to show I was the owner of the vehicle, still had the proper insurance, etc.
Sure, you can go to a grocery store or restaurant without an ID, but even then only if you're paying with cash.

bama_wayne1 · Feb 28, 2017

jthomas666 said:
There are voter ID laws, and there are the voter ID laws enacted by the GOP--a group with a well documented history of voter suppression, mind you (he sighs, knowing full well that the hyenas will immediately start braying that Democrats INVENTED voter suppression; possibly, but the GOP is perfecting it) Given that a federal court ruled that a North Carolina voter ID law targeted blacks "with almost surgical precision", it's more than just a little disingenuous to claim that the GOP is just trying to protect the sanctity of the election.

Documented by the party that doesn't think people are smart enough to get an ID.

Tide1986 · Feb 28, 2017

jthomas666 said:
Do you have any evidence of this happening, or has the StayPuft Strawmallowman entered the building?

I haven't claimed that it is happening so maybe you have entered the building.

crimsonaudio · Feb 28, 2017

jthomas666 said:
Do you have any evidence of this happening, or has the StayPuft Strawmallowman entered the building?

Where did he claim this was happening?

jthomas666 · Feb 28, 2017

Tide1986 said:
I haven't claimed that it is happening so maybe you have entered the building.

No, but you raised the possibility. Just trying to determine if this is an actual problem or not.

Displaced Bama Fan · Feb 28, 2017

jthomas666 said:
Do you have any evidence of this happening, or has the StayPuft Strawmallowman entered the building?

nevermind.

day-day · Feb 28, 2017

NationalTitles16 said:
It would be a crime, presumably in both locales, but it could be done.

Best I can tell for Tennessee is that an out-of-state student would have to become a resident of Tennessee to vote in Tennessee.

NationalTitles18 · Feb 28, 2017

day-day said:
Best I can tell for Tennessee is that an out-of-state student would have to become a resident of Tennessee to vote in Tennessee.

That's easily done.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/student-voting-guide-tennessee

day-day · Feb 28, 2017

NationalTitles16 said:
That's easily done.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/student-voting-guide-tennessee

Many students would prefer to keep their home residence for various reasons but yes, it is easy enough to do.

Aledinho · Feb 28, 2017

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