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bamaguy333 said:

First time to post. I generally read post to keep up with sports, but would like to educate fans on scholarship issue in baseball at UA. The main issue is the university does not waive out of state tuition unless student/athlete is a Merit scholar or Presidential scholar. In my experience, I have not seen many presidential scholarship athletes that can win at this level. Look at the cost of attendance @UA for out of state. This is why there has been a roster of in-state players, and yes these kids have been the best in this state. AL is not among the top baseball states to recruit players from. In the 90's, the playing field was pretty level until lotteries helped most SEC teams and tuition hikes have made recruiting tough for UA in baseball. UA is a true 11.7 v 20+ scholarships for others in SEC. Look at FL roster, mostly in-state FL kids, LSU the same, good baseball state, have lottery too. The private schools can do all sorts of things that public schools cannot. Mississippi, LA, ARK all have bordering state waivers of out of state tuition so to clarify its cheaper to attend. Yes, you can also throw South AL and Troy in the mix, cheaper to attend. Wells was not ready to retire but knew thing would not change in scholarships and poor facility. Gaspard had a winning record with hands tied behind his back, no practice field for fall of 2014, home games in Hoover 2015. UA should have hosted Clemson in super regional 2010, UA was higher seed, but administration did not put in a bid to host. I know as a fan, I want to win in all sports but some just are not on a level playing field. I hope UA bsb does not turn into AU bsb (2005 to present). This job was turned down by East Carolina coach, just like basketball job was turned down by Wichita State coach. Easier to get in NCAA tournament at those schools.

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WylieTexasTider said:

I agree their was/is some adjustment with the new regime. However stuff I have seen/heard directly is beyond 'adjustment'. Maybe he is trying to get the 'weak' to quit but, if it continues, I don't see it ending well for his regime. It will effect recruiting. Especially when kids on official visits are restricted only to talking to a select few.

In the end I don't wish Goff to fail. I hope he has success and navigates the difficult scholarship situation. Seems to me the NCAA should really level the playing field.

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WylieTexasTider said:

Agree passing the lottery makes sense! Also agree it ain't gonna happen.... I guess I don't understand how the lottery helps the #'s. I thought all schools get 11.7 scholarships to use as they choose.

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baseballfanatic said:

Schools in states with lottery scholarships have more flexibility when using the 11.7 due to the fact that in-state players can qualify for the lottery scholarship, which means that the school has to apply less of the 11.7 on those players.

I don't quite know how the money itself works out, but assuming a lottery scholarship provides 50% of a qualifying in-state recruits tuition, then that school would only need to use 0.5 of a baseball scholarship to bring him up to a full scholarship. This leaves them with 11.2 scholarships. The more in-state recruits that qualify for those lottery scholarships, the less baseball scholarships the school has to use on them. This allows the school to use more of the 11.7 on out-of-state players, where the tuition is typically 3 or 4x as much as in-state tuition.

While it wouldn't completely eliminate the disadvantage, a way to somewhat counter it is to waive out-of-state tuition for recruits coming to UA. Which apparently is something we refuse to do, for whatever reason.

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Crimson1967 said:

Yes, let's fire Goff after eight games. I can't believe we kept the coach responsible for this around.

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ptw1961 said:

Good post and very accurate based on what I know. The administration needs to waive the out of state hike for baseball- that is ridiculous. It is not like the school needs the money from those 6-7 kids anyway with over 38,000 kids enrolled and all the money the football program brings in. Alabama will never be competitive again until something changes. I just wonder if the PTB's care enough to make the changes they can make.

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JDCrimson said:

That's not how it works. The AD actually has to pay the academic side for the scholarship tuition. Plus any addition to men's scholarships must be replicated on the women's side due to title IX compliance. 14 more scholarships probably costs the AD over half a million when you factor in room, board, meals, etc.

But to your point the entire system could absorb it. But someone would have to ask for the out of state tuition waiver of the BoT which may not have ever happened.

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RammerJammer14 said:

Title IX compliance... I don't need to get started on that one. It basically kills sports like men's baseball, soccer, wrestling, etc. Not because the interest, athletes, or scholarships aren't there, but because a suitable number of women's positions/sports can't be found. So in the name of fairness we eliminate opportunities for men instead...


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