Which is why I said "rarely if ever" as opposed to "never".Unless it is over-used. I have seen 2 instances in my personal life of friends who were perfectly healthy, physically and mentally, but who simply smoked too much weed and ended up hospitalized for schizophrenia. Both recovered within a few days when marijuana was no longer available. Both have been perfectly healthy since - both gave up mj after this happened to them.
Not a huge sample size, but I wouldn't ignore those kinds of occurrences.
And I would argue that anyone who makes the conscious choice to smoke themselves into hospitalization is probably not completely, mentally healthy.
I would say a combination of a contextual fallacy and a circular cause fallacy.I love it when people try to use logic but suck at it. It's great for a laugh. A fallacy is a bad inference -- yours involved some version of the genetic fallacy -- "The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance where a conclusion is suggested based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context." Please which fallacy did I use?
For one, my argument wasn't that "there are no dangers to marijuana use".
For two, I said that "It's obvious that when you have to resort to spreading such atrociously inaccurate lies about the dangers of a substance, you don't have any real dangers to talk about."
While my statement used a royal you, the specific you - in the application of my statement to the referenced instance - would have been the bigwigs of the tobacco industry. My applied statement therefore implies that they resorted to spreading lies about the dangers of marijuana because they had no real dangers to spread. That doesn't mean that there aren't any dangers at all. It also doesn't mean that they weren't aware of a single, actual potential danger. What it does mean is that they had no actual potential dangers which either they and/or their intended audience would have considered to be real dangers.
See above.Your claim, that there are no dangers of MJ to talk about hardly needs to be "disproven", but if you like, it can be disproven by your own admission, namely, that it can be abused. That which can be abused surely has some dangers worthy of being talked about.
You are correct only this far, that neither alcohol nor MJ cause a person to consume them. After that, what you are saying is hard to take seriously. This reminds me of the guns don't kill people, people kill people argument except applied badly. It is definitely true that people choose to pull the trigger, and in that sense it is people who kill people. But not even the most ardent gun's rights activist would be so silly as to say the bullet wasn't the cause of death. Of course alcohol causes its effects, and so does MJ. That's why we use them... they work.
Saying MJ doesn't cause any problems is foolish. Of course I think many forms of substance abuse have deeper or prior causes like emotional problems. Then again, sometimes irresponsible young people just make bad choices. And sometimes responsible people choose a course of action which is good in itself but has negative side effects. All of these situations have dangers worthy of being talked about. It's not a one size fits all position. One thing is clear, however, that the use of MJ has plenty of possible pros and cons, all of which are a direct result of the properties of the substance itself, and not merely a property of the choice to use it. It is sheer wishful thinking on your part to imagine a substance that strong with only positive effects. It is not I but the vast experience of humanity that refutes you.
I agree. I think a big part of the issue is sort of a feeling of entitlement to information - on the part of fans and news-people, especially, and the public in general. If we don't hear about it, it didn't happen, doesn't count, etc. We don't care so much about - or perhaps don't like - a policy that secretly suspends a player in an attempt to give them the best chance to correct their behavior and decision making processes because we don't get to see the process in action. We're much more comfortable with a press conference announcing a suspension.Anyway, this argument about the argument is off topic. I'm satisfied with how Coach and the school handled the situation, I really hope it works out for Tim, that he is effectively free to make good choices, and I think either extreme is pretty much just that... extreme.