I have been extremely busy elsewhere, but this was too good to leave unnoticed.
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Link: ESPN layoffs will hit on air "talent"
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Correct. You don't hear any of it during actual games. The political talk comes from the studio shows. That's why so many people only now watch the games and not Sportscenter or any of the other shows.
So what's the problem? If you don't like a certain show, don't watch it and only watch shows or games that interest you.
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Have you read the posts? That's what many people are saying they do, which is why ESPN is losing viewers and money.
Don't you know that wanting a small federal government makes you a racist? Slaver!
It's not political talk. It's a cry for human decency. It's taking a stand for morality and if you don't see it that way you're what's wrong with 'Murica!!!! SO GO LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND RECOGNIZE!!!!
I'd argue that ESPN's troubles have nothing to do with politics and the partisans that suggest as such are just using their troubles to validate their readership on the strength of their movement. ESPN's troubles begin and end with the public leaving larger cable subscriptions behind in favor of limited cable access (the locals) and over the top streaming via the internet.
There are a few factors going into their decline on original non-live-sport content:
1) They're not reupping contracts of longtime commentary/analyst types and losing some viewership due to lack of name recognition.
2) That being said, Fox has not had much success with all the ESPN talent they've poached over the last few years. This is because viewing habits are changing and nobody is thinking of their network as anything but the place to go when [insert game] is on their network.
3) The big loss is that people are just giving up on the high costs of a sports package cable subscription by either completely getting rid of a television provider or going down to a basic plan without sports channels.
First Take was getting big rating when they had the longtime Stephen A and Skip Bayless pairing but has went to the tank since Skip left...but Skip's FS1 show is doing terribly. What does that tell you? Well it tells me that as they get rid of the old guard and replace them with Equate Brand options that their shows are going to suffer. It also tells me that Fox is wasting their time poaching ESPN for on-air talent and would be better served enhancing their portfolio of live sports contracts. The future of sports broadcasting will be based on the live sports portfolio almost exclusively as people will only "tune into" your app when the game is on.
The politics stuff is just a misdirect right wing outlets are using to validate the strength of their cause. "We can bring ESPN to their knees!" No, you can't...the Internet did.
There are a few factors going into their decline on original non-live-sport content:
1) They're not reupping contracts of longtime commentary/analyst types and losing some viewership due to lack of name recognition.
2) That being said, Fox has not had much success with all the ESPN talent they've poached over the last few years. This is because viewing habits are changing and nobody is thinking of their network as anything but the place to go when [insert game] is on their network.
3) The big loss is that people are just giving up on the high costs of a sports package cable subscription by either completely getting rid of a television provider or going down to a basic plan without sports channels.
First Take was getting big rating when they had the longtime Stephen A and Skip Bayless pairing but has went to the tank since Skip left...but Skip's FS1 show is doing terribly. What does that tell you? Well it tells me that as they get rid of the old guard and replace them with Equate Brand options that their shows are going to suffer. It also tells me that Fox is wasting their time poaching ESPN for on-air talent and would be better served enhancing their portfolio of live sports contracts. The future of sports broadcasting will be based on the live sports portfolio almost exclusively as people will only "tune into" your app when the game is on.
The politics stuff is just a misdirect right wing outlets are using to validate the strength of their cause. "We can bring ESPN to their knees!" No, you can't...the Internet did.
And ESPN execs panicking about politics does not prove the right wing pundit's thoughts on this stuff. They're panicking and trying to be as inoffensive as possible to save a ship that has more holes than hull...but the holes were not caused by EXTREME LIBERAL POLITICS but broadband internet, over-the-top streaming, and consumer mobility to shuffle off the old ESPN-tax on media consumption that has existed for nearly 3 decades.
I'm going to offer some random bullet points here - and I apologize for my previous choice of words, though not for the sentiment they sought to express. Also - this username was created when I was working in a different field, but I didn't want to change it after a while. C'est la vie.
1. In the Bloomberg piece making the rounds earlier this week, ESPN veteran and ombudsman Bob Ley acknowledged that the network has of late done a very poor job with diversity of ideas. That in itself should say an awful lot.
2. If you accept that the current narrative on, say, LGBTQ issues or police violence vis a vis African-Americans - the narrative that is common to the New York Times, Michelle Beadle, Jemele Hill and Chris Hayes - and if you reject any concerns to the contrary, then a civil discussion is impossible.
3. I don't mind politics with sports - what I *do* mind is a lack of ideological diversity on the part of those panelists and show hosts - and athletes who peddle ideas that are about as deep as a high school sophomore.
4. Here's what I do mind - I mind Major League Baseball allowing the US to be exposed by a Communist hellhole like Cuba, and the only person with the backbone to call BS on it is Dan LeBatard. I mind the NCAA bullying the Indiana Legislature into watering down its religious freedom act - an act whose only real function was to protect wedding vendors whose conscious would not allow them to offer their services to a SSM wedding. I mind the sports leagues that had the vapors over the North Carolina bathroom bill when in fact that bill was simply a return to the status quo that everyone - the ACC, NBA, NCAA, PayPal, etc. - were all fine with for years. Meanwhile, Adam Silver can't wait to get his hands on Chinese currency - a country whose human rights record is about as clean as the underside of a well digger's boot. So when I heard ESPN's Field Yates suggest that Adam Silver's position on the North Carolina bathroom bill is a reason the public respects him more than Roger Goodell and Mike and Mike nod along like the trained seals, they've become, I turn the channel.
So when rgw suggests that those us who take issue here need to "look in the mirror," I'm happy to do so. I'm quite fine with myself - because I can live with two dudes down the street getting married, but you better believe I'm ....ed that a little old lady is getting sued out of business because she told a longtime customer she couldn't work his gay wedding - and laws designed to prevent this sort of thing have been threatened by the NCAA, NBA, etc. - and ESPN has yet to report on it in a critical fashion. Coach K can engage in public self-loathing over North Carolina limiting transgender use of opposite (?) restrooms - an issue that almost no one outside of some avant-garde legal theorists and Bourbon Street denizens gave two hoots in hell about before about ten minutes ago. If *that's* what I need to look in the mirror over, I'm fine so to do - perhaps you ought to consider that someone can oppose the LGBTQ revolution without being a knuckle-dragging neanderthal or could have doubts about BLM without being David Duke.
1. In the Bloomberg piece making the rounds earlier this week, ESPN veteran and ombudsman Bob Ley acknowledged that the network has of late done a very poor job with diversity of ideas. That in itself should say an awful lot.
2. If you accept that the current narrative on, say, LGBTQ issues or police violence vis a vis African-Americans - the narrative that is common to the New York Times, Michelle Beadle, Jemele Hill and Chris Hayes - and if you reject any concerns to the contrary, then a civil discussion is impossible.
3. I don't mind politics with sports - what I *do* mind is a lack of ideological diversity on the part of those panelists and show hosts - and athletes who peddle ideas that are about as deep as a high school sophomore.
4. Here's what I do mind - I mind Major League Baseball allowing the US to be exposed by a Communist hellhole like Cuba, and the only person with the backbone to call BS on it is Dan LeBatard. I mind the NCAA bullying the Indiana Legislature into watering down its religious freedom act - an act whose only real function was to protect wedding vendors whose conscious would not allow them to offer their services to a SSM wedding. I mind the sports leagues that had the vapors over the North Carolina bathroom bill when in fact that bill was simply a return to the status quo that everyone - the ACC, NBA, NCAA, PayPal, etc. - were all fine with for years. Meanwhile, Adam Silver can't wait to get his hands on Chinese currency - a country whose human rights record is about as clean as the underside of a well digger's boot. So when I heard ESPN's Field Yates suggest that Adam Silver's position on the North Carolina bathroom bill is a reason the public respects him more than Roger Goodell and Mike and Mike nod along like the trained seals, they've become, I turn the channel.
So when rgw suggests that those us who take issue here need to "look in the mirror," I'm happy to do so. I'm quite fine with myself - because I can live with two dudes down the street getting married, but you better believe I'm ....ed that a little old lady is getting sued out of business because she told a longtime customer she couldn't work his gay wedding - and laws designed to prevent this sort of thing have been threatened by the NCAA, NBA, etc. - and ESPN has yet to report on it in a critical fashion. Coach K can engage in public self-loathing over North Carolina limiting transgender use of opposite (?) restrooms - an issue that almost no one outside of some avant-garde legal theorists and Bourbon Street denizens gave two hoots in hell about before about ten minutes ago. If *that's* what I need to look in the mirror over, I'm fine so to do - perhaps you ought to consider that someone can oppose the LGBTQ revolution without being a knuckle-dragging neanderthal or could have doubts about BLM without being David Duke.
I don't know (or care) what network Bill Walton is on, but.................
A good buddy is a die-hard 'Zona fan. (And a retired cop.) He can't stand Bill Walton! And it isn't just because he went to that college in LA.
He recently went on a 10-minute tirade, of all the crap Walton does, during a game. He has to suck it up, because Walton does all the games he wants to watch.
Myself..............I only watched one 'Zona game, all year. I got so sick of hearing "conference of champions", about twice a minute, that I had to turn off the sound.
I don't see it as a stretch of the imagination that Walton's bloviating could spell over into the political realm. I would be more surprised if it didn't. In any case, the guy is unwatchable, at least to my liking.
Ok, this has been pointed out, so I am not going go into a lengthy diatribe, but...............
Yes, people are sick of that stuff, and that is a reason they are no longer watching them. It makes sense: people are voting with their wallet. What is so hard to grasp about that? Why is that a problem?
The problem is some individuals refuse to accept that concept. Instead, they go on rambling rants, bordering on being unhinged, blaming everyone who does not view the world through the same lens that they do.
There, I've said my peace. I'm going back to my un-safe place, and rant about the horrid state of our baseball team.
(And for the record...........again...............I do not have cable................it costs too much, and I only have limited exposure to the rot that pervades all of cable TV. That includes a certain news network some will undoubtedly accuse me of watching 24 per. Also means I have to sponge off of someone to watch a lot of our games. Which I did not have access to, until the last few years. So, if there ever was a "golden age" of cable TV, I missed it.)
Hey, look! An article by some guy who agrees with a lot of you.
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/04/07/the-guardian-sports-media-leaning-left-vastly-overblown/
And it is written about by someone who thinks it is codswallop. (Gee, who could imagine someone on TrumpBart would have a different opinion?)
Warning: after this part, they mention some guy, who is a 10RC apologist. Can't say you were not warned.
OK, now comes the funny part!
Isn't this exciting!
"No, it sucks."
Yeah, it probably does........................
Time to go back to kvetching about YET ANOTHER crappy performance, by our baseball team.
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/04/07/the-guardian-sports-media-leaning-left-vastly-overblown/
And it is written about by someone who thinks it is codswallop. (Gee, who could imagine someone on TrumpBart would have a different opinion?)
Uh, if they truly were trying to differentiate themselves from FS1, they may consider doing something else. (Like sticking to sports, maybe.)
Yeah, you just can't believe anything those Trumpers on TrumpBart say.
Can someone translate the last part of that sentence?
Warning: after this part, they mention some guy, who is a 10RC apologist. Can't say you were not warned.
OK, now comes the funny part!
Ah, that explains everything! (Translation: the guy is an idiot.)
Isn't this exciting!
"No, it sucks."
Yeah, it probably does........................
Time to go back to kvetching about YET ANOTHER crappy performance, by our baseball team.
Oy vey..............some guy thinks the players need to be more political. (Hint: it isn't "conservative", whatever that is.)
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/04/08/detroit-free-press-sports-op-ed-insists-players-should-become-left-wing-activists/
(I'm sure that will help any and all declining ratings.)
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/04/08/detroit-free-press-sports-op-ed-insists-players-should-become-left-wing-activists/
Yes, force the "garbage human beings" to not be able to avoid it. Because we all know how much they value their "safe spaces".
(I'm sure that will help any and all declining ratings.)
Yeah, but their idea of a "better world" is what some of us would call totalitarianism. Or statism. Or whatever. Just not better.
I'm not sure I know why everything, including "sports" has to be political. I think this board is a very special, self-selected audience...
Judging by posts I've seen on social media, TideFans posters aren't alone.
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