I agree...we will run when we can and use the pass when teams stack the line. The threat of both is what makes an offense over the top dangerous. I would bet CNS aims at a 250/250 (yds running and passing), with 80 plays and a 40-20 TOP. I know that's pretty strong...but I think this offense can do that.We want to be the Patriots, which means we do everything.
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Actually the run pass-run ration has been pretty much in that range the past three years under Kiffen. Just for laughs I looked up Saban's decade at Bama and came up with this:No way in Hades the offense is that run-heavy.
So we tend to average 60-40? And that's including runs when Saban called the dogs off.Actually the run pass-run ration has been pretty much in that range the past three years under Kiffen. Just for laughs I looked up Saban's decade at Bama and came up with this:
YEAR % PASSRANK# TEAMSNCs
2007-200850.85 45120
2008-200938.66 105 120
2009-201039.17 103 120 X
2010-201147.09 66120
2011-201242.93 89120 X
2012-201339.07 109 124 X
2013-201445.76 73125
2014-201544.71 86128
2015-201642.64 96128 X
2016-201740.88 101128
The bottom line appears to be that we've never come close to being a 60-40 pass to run team under Saban, the closest being his first year when Major Applewhite was the OC when the ration was pretty close to 50-50. Our natties came when we were pretty close to 60-40 run to pass for what it is worth.
Another interesting item is that Auburn under Malzahn was over 60-40 percent run-pass for the most part during his tenure. That's a casual observation, as I'm not an Auburn fan I'm not intending to dig up the numbers for his career at AU.
From: https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/
Generally the main times we've relied on the run close to that much is 1.) in tight defensive games where we want to play ball control. Our focus even before Kiffin came in has been to pass the ball to set up the run. or 2.) when we are deficient in the passing game. We have the talent on the WR/TE and QB side to where we can run pass plays successfully so number 2 won't come into factor unless it's a situation like number 1. I'm excited to see what Daboll does with the talent we have here. It may not be as dynamic as a Kiffin offense but I will believe it will be more efficient.We've just got too many good backs not to do that some. We've got too many good backs and the right kind of QB so I expect to see run 65-70% of the time to be honest. The key is improving the passing game's effectiveness not increasing magnitude of passing plays. But there is probably a reason I'm a software developer and not an offensive coordinator.
Until the offensive line proves it can be dominant this won't happen.I get the feeling that Robert Foster is going to be that veteran who was left for dead by the fans that becomes a reliable role player. I don't know if he'll ever be the star he was heading towards being in 2015 before the injury, but I could see him being the reliable set of hands to pair with Ridley until Jeudy gets comfortable.
Other part of Saban's comments recently: My reckon as it has been since signing day's tailback haul has been we're gonna run the ball relentlessly. Saban's frank acceptance that this tailback group is deep as it has been in his tenure reinforces that likelihood. I think it is more likely that this offense looks almost like a modern era wishbone offense (maybe not by personnel but by run/pass balance) than it is Daboll turns this team into a pro pass spread in 2017. We have too many tailbacks not to run relentlessly. We have the right kind of QB to just go RPO every single down basically creating a triple option on every play between the keep, give, and quick throw.
That's what I REALLY liked about the final 2 games of the 2015 season. All the talk was about stopping Heisman winner Derrick Henry (he still went for 2 TD's against Clemson) and if Jake Coker could beat them with his arm. He completely dissected Michigan State and was clutch in the Clemson game. That pass to Ardarius Stewart down the sideline that he threw while he was getting hit might be the unheralded clutch pass of the season, (might be). I think Hurts has that ability. When a team is dead set on stopping the run the coaching staff can feel comfortable enough to say, "Ok, let's drop bombs." That's the offense we've been able to boast since at least McCarron's 2nd season.I agree...we will run when we can and use the pass when teams stack the line. The threat of both is what makes an offense over the top dangerous. I would bet CNS aims at a 250/250 (yds running and passing), with 80 plays and a 40-20 TOP. I know that's pretty strong...but I think this offense can do that.
I think you hit the nail on the head. There's been a lot of talk about the unbelievable corps of RB's in the backfield and how to utilize them all. But O-Line is probably the most un-settled position group going into Spring so it remains to be seen how good of a job they'll do creating opportunity for these RBs.Until the offensive line proves it can be dominant this won't happen.
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Those bombs were passes that Coker could not hit early in the season - they were often closer to interceptions than receptions. By the end of the season he was as good at those passes as Sims was the year before. The growth of Coker and Henry through the season in 2015 was amazing to witness. IMO, Coker doesn't get enough credit for that championship.That's what I REALLY liked about the final 2 games of the 2015 season. All the talk was about stopping Heisman winner Derrick Henry (he still went for 2 TD's against Clemson) and if Jake Coker could beat them with his arm. He completely dissected Michigan State and was clutch in the Clemson game. That pass to Ardarius Stewart down the sideline that he threw while he was getting hit might be the unheralded clutch pass of the season, (might be). I think Hurts has that ability. When a team is dead set on stopping the run the coaching staff can feel comfortable enough to say, "Ok, let's drop bombs." That's the offense we've been able to boast since at least McCarron's 2nd season.
I give Henry more credit for that than the o-line. He was impossible to tackle - he had the best stiff-arm that I have ever seen in college. And as much as I like Bo, he has not developed a stiff arm, so defenders get to his legs and bring him down. In other words, you are right - your o-line is critical in 2017.I think you hit the nail on the head. There's been a lot of talk about the unbelievable corps of RB's in the backfield and how to utilize them all. But O-Line is probably the most un-settled position group going into Spring so it remains to be seen how good of a job they'll do creating opportunity for these RBs.
Now, let's have some real talk - with the amount of talent recruited for that O-Line I feel we can comfortably say that we will have a reasonable amount of success running the ball, no matter who ends up where on the line. We can get by in most situations based on pure athletic talent and that's thanks purely to Coach Saban on the recruiting trail. But will this O-Line be able to create scenarios like 2015's game against LSU when Henry went for 210 yards? Hard to say.
He certainly did improve! And he'd have improved even further if he'd been allowed another offseason of development and year of eligibility. :wink:Those bombs were passes that Coker could not hit early in the season - they were often closer to interceptions than receptions. By the end of the season he was as good at those passes as Sims was the year before. The growth of Coker and Henry through the season in 2015 was amazing to witness. IMO, Coker doesn't get enough credit for that championship.
Derrick Henry had 116 yards after contact in that game. Unbelievable.I give Henry more credit for that than the o-line. He was impossible to tackle - he had the best stiff-arm that I have ever seen in college. And as much as I like Bo, he has not developed a stiff arm, so defenders get to his legs and bring him down. In other words, you are right - your o-line is critical in 2017.
or when we have a pretty good lead and are trying to keep the clock running to get games over with.Generally the main times we've relied on the run close to that much is 1.) in tight defensive games where we want to play ball control. Our focus even before Kiffin came in has been to pass the ball to set up the run. or 2.) when we are deficient in the passing game. We have the talent on the WR/TE and QB side to where we can run pass plays successfully so number 2 won't come into factor unless it's a situation like number 1. I'm excited to see what Daboll does with the talent we have here. It may not be as dynamic as a Kiffin offense but I will believe it will be more efficient.
There is the factor that Brent Key is now the coach of the whole line. Last year he was the interior only which to me was a weird arrangement. His results at Central Florida appear to be above average but that's not the SEC. There was a good bit of instability on the line in 2016 with several re-arrangements early and chaos and turnover at right guard all season long. On the other hand the situation at right guard sort of showed that he was unwilling to allow under performing player to keep his job, which I am adamant about.Now, let's have some real talk - with the amount of talent recruited for that O-Line I feel we can comfortably say that we will have a reasonable amount of success running the ball, no matter who ends up where on the line. We can get by in most situations based on pure athletic talent and that's thanks purely to Coach Saban on the recruiting trail. But will this O-Line be able to create scenarios like 2015's game against LSU when Henry went for 210 yards? Hard to say.
Ironically, it was the tackles who performed well, while the interior had serious problems. Of course personnel is the primary component and CMC had much better talent to work with. I hope Key is the answer.I think the split OL coach arrangement was more about 'crootin than coaching. Cristobal was too good of a recruiter to push out the door last year but Brent Key was too good of a hire for Saban to pass up. Willing to give Key the pass because it was truly an odd arrangement.
This is partially why I think Jacobs deserves more opportunities this year. I don't know if those touches will come from the running or passing game but his elusiveness in space is incredible. Felt like he made at least 1 guy miss every time he touched the ball in space.Until the offensive line proves it can be dominant this won't happen.
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