Doctor dragged from plane after refusing to leave for United Employee who needed seat

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I have been flying for business since 1987, yes they did give triple miles for any flight you flew back then for a year. Rather the rehash how the airlines have changed. The last thing I would ever aspire to these days is to become a Platinum Delta FF. I now drive any trips that are less than 7 hours. Its just not worth the grief of driving down to Hartsfield, finding parking and the terminals are always packed. . I recall when the airlines did pay you in cash for getting bumped. You never had a lack of people taking cold hard cash. My 2 cents worth is that United raped what was a pretty decent airline in Continental. I was a One pass Gold member for 4 years straight. I never had to fly Continental to keep my miles,now I have to fly Untied once every 2 years not to loose the miles I earned on Continental. I avoid Untied at all cost.
the large majority of my trips for work are international, so unfortunately, i have no choice but to fly. i don't really have a problem with hartsfield since i live so close to the airport, but i realize that it is a huge p.i.t.a. for folks connecting or that live further away.
 

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the large majority of my trips for work are international, so unfortunately, i have no choice but to fly. i don't really have a problem with hartsfield since i live so close to the airport, but i realize that it is a huge p.i.t.a. for folks connecting or that live further away.
We fly Delta internationally for work but it's tempting to switch to American. We rarely travel to Europe and are often in Central American and Africa. Delta has decent legs but British Airways is typically better for African flights. We've all got so many miles with Delta at this point though. Would suck to start over, though I did dip to Silver last year. Heck, I even use their American Express Gold card and had difficulty maintaining status despite traveling fairly regularly.
 

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Never put yourself in a position to choose unless you're willing to face the consequences of that choice. They knew they flight was over booked so they should've started offering at the gate, not when everyone was already loaded and their luggage on the plane. A multi million dollar organization using "eenie meenie miney moe " to determine random airplane expulsion is a complete and utter failure. Finally, if that's the way you're going to decide who gets kicked off a plane you should probably pick a young white guy. Far fewer people will jump to his defense if you have to drag him off the plane.


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Never put yourself in a position to choose unless you're willing to face the consequences of that choice. They knew they flight was over booked so they should've started offering at the gate, not when everyone was already loaded and their luggage on the plane. A multi million dollar organization using "eenie meenie miney moe " to determine random airplane expulsion is a complete and utter failure. Finally, if that's the way you're going to decide who gets kicked off a plane you should probably pick a young white guy. Far fewer people will jump to his defense if you have to drag him off the plane.


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Better yet, pick the heavy-set guy wearing a tank top who is all sweaty from getting squished into a middle seat and has already shed his flip-flops. His seat mates would probably rather be seated next to an off-duty pilot or flight attendant, and he'd probably appreciate the chance to head back to the airport bar and vie for an aisle seat on a later flight. Plus, shouldn't non-revenue passengers get the middle seats?
 

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We fly Delta internationally for work but it's tempting to switch to American. We rarely travel to Europe and are often in Central American and Africa. Delta has decent legs but British Airways is typically better for African flights. We've all got so many miles with Delta at this point though. Would suck to start over, though I did dip to Silver last year. Heck, I even use their American Express Gold card and had difficulty maintaining status despite traveling fairly regularly.
i would have been diamond the past two years under the old rules. i have only flown american via their regional carriers and it sucked donkey junk. you should look at qatar air for africa flights, we have been very pleased flying them the past year and a half. we have been using them for our middle east flights and a lot of the flights from atlanta are being used by people heading to india and africa.
 

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i would have been diamond the past two years under the old rules. i have only flown american via their regional carriers and it sucked donkey junk. you should look at qatar air for africa flights, we have been very pleased flying them the past year and a half. we have been using them for our middle east flights and a lot of the flights from atlanta are being used by people heading to india and africa.
How do you find the prices? I live in a small regional market (Norfolk) so most first legs out are United, Delta or American (also Southwest but I rarely travel domestically). I traveled to Liberia at the beginning of March and it was over $1800 on Delta (Delta, Air France, Air Maroc) for round trip. Shouldn't have been that high.
 

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How do you find the prices? I live in a small regional market (Norfolk) so most first legs out are United, Delta or American (also Southwest but I rarely travel domestically). I traveled to Liberia at the beginning of March and it was over $1800 on Delta (Delta, Air France, Air Maroc) for round trip. Shouldn't have been that high.
i just use their website and they have direct flights to doha from atlanta and they have fare sales all of the time. from doha they service just about everywhere, so lucky for me i don't have to use multiple airlines. i am pretty sure they have flights from dulles. they are part of the one world alliance(i think that teams them up with american).
 

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Which is probably why they give vouchers and not money. They hope you never use them.
You nailed it. They hope you don't come back and fulfill that voucher. If it's cash they know you'll go down to the Southwest terminal and get yourself another flight AND make more money doing it:biggrin:
 

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Delta has now begun walking Kenny G up and down the aisles, instructing him to stare into each passenger's eyes whilst softly tooting his soprano until customers voluntarily leave the plane.

 

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And, ironically, I just received this email from United as well.

Dear Mr DBF,

Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again? It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.


With Great Gratitude,


Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
 

Tide1986

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And, ironically, I just received this email from United as well.

Dear Mr DBF,

Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again? It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.


With Great Gratitude,


Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
And I just received the same letter.
 

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