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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    No - your #2 QB plays. You never know when you might need him.
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    If any promise were made to Tua, it was a chance to compete. Saban has said over and over he doesn't offer PT, ever...
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    If any promise were made to Tua, it was a chance to compete. Saban has said over and over he doesn't offer PT, ever...
    Agreed...but if CNS can find a way to redshirt Tua just 1 of the next two years -- assuming JH leaves early...then the problem is solved and Tua will have 3 years to start, just like JH.
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Nope, I would not redshirt him. This team will be special, could win it all. Hurts needs a backup. Get Tua as many reps as possible. Just a bad case of stomach flu could put it on his shoulders. He is talented, but let's be honest, he could have easily had more picks than TDs on Saturday. And get a right tackle who can protect him.

    Redshirt Jones, he needs to put on some weight to survive in the sec, any way.
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    I think the best we can hope for is that Tua is the #2 QB if Jalen were to go down but have another QB take garbage time reps. But I don't see that happening. Mac Jones is definitely going to red shirt based on A Day so we might be out of luck.

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    If any promise were made to Tua, it was a chance to compete. Saban has said over and over he doesn't offer PT, ever...
    And in response to Coach Saban's "policy" about not offering PT. Tua and his family had to make some decisions BEFORE deciding to uproot across the planet to Tuscaloosa.


    I have a hard time believing Tua and his family put all their eggs in one basket and if Tua doesn't win the starting job this season he's leaving.

    Yet on the other hand, I also have a hard time believing they moved "halfway around the world" only to have to watch their son ride the bench three years before playing.


    To me the only two options that make moving across the planet worth it is:

    *He wins the job and plays immediately

    *If that doesn't happen he redshirts and pretty much is ensured being the starter for two years possibly three.



    What are your thoughts on this Earle? You got a feel for this situation or maybe hear any rumblings?
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Just remember the approach that CNS took with AJ in 2009...
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by jthomas666 View Post
    Just remember the approach that CNS took with AJ in 2009...
    That's exactly what I expect. Could be wrong, of course...
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    And in response to Coach Saban's "policy" about not offering PT. Tua and his family had to make some decisions BEFORE deciding to uproot across the planet to Tuscaloosa.


    I have a hard time believing Tua and his family put all their eggs in one basket and if Tua doesn't win the starting job this season he's leaving.

    Yet on the other hand, I also have a hard time believing they moved "halfway around the world" only to have to watch their son ride the bench three years before playing.


    To me the only two options that make moving across the planet worth it is:

    *He wins the job and plays immediately

    *If that doesn't happen he redshirts and pretty much is ensured being the starter for two years possibly three.



    What are your thoughts on this Earle? You got a feel for this situation or maybe hear any rumblings?
    That's a real good point about his family moving here...doubt a transfer would happen for at least a couple of years..regardless what happens.

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Ask Kevin Sumlin about the pitfalls of making guarantees to recruits...

    From what I've heard from both signees and their families it's CNS's honesty with them about that very topic that sells many of them on the Capstone. Sometimes the players are more mature about it than their families too, see Anthony Averett last year.

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by bamacon View Post
    Ask Kevin Sumlin about the pitfalls of making guarantees to recruits...

    From what I've heard from both signees and their families it's CNS's honesty with them about that very topic that sells many of them on the Capstone. Sometimes the players are more mature about it than their families too, see Anthony Averett last year.
    Or Blake Barnett's dad???

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Padreruf View Post
    Agreed...but if CNS can find a way to redshirt Tua just 1 of the next two years -- assuming JH leaves early...then the problem is solved and Tua will have 3 years to start, just like JH.
    And he may be like Tim Tebow and dedicated to play all 4 years. It seems to be in his particular make up.

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide_HTTR View Post
    I think the best we can hope for is that Tua is the #2 QB if Jalen were to go down but have another QB take garbage time reps. But I don't see that happening.
    Quote Originally Posted by jthomas666 View Post
    Just remember the approach that CNS took with AJ in 2009...
    For those unfamiliar, HTTR described what Saban did in 2009 (at least the latter portion). Not burning AJ's redshirt was a big deal, since he did after all go on to play as a fifth year senior.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    To me the only two options that make moving across the planet worth it is:

    *He wins the job and plays immediately

    *If that doesn't happen he redshirts and pretty much is ensured being the starter for two years possibly three.
    I know you're not asking me, and I know absolutely no inside info (which also means I can speculate all I want without spilling the beans, heh), but those two scenarios are what made the most sense to me as well. I was operating under the assumption that in spring they were kind of going with option A, but there really needs to be option B as well. The problem is who would play the Star Jackson role? If he's planning on transferring if he doesn't win the job, not redshirting really does him no harm, it might even help him, since he could use the redshirt year when he transfers. It's only if he plans on staying that burning the redshirt really becomes a problem for him. It seems to me that if he loses his redshirt this year, and doesn't catch Hurts (which seems terribly unlikely) he will end up being in an untenable situation.

    Then again, there is always Matt Flynn and Matt Cassel. Flynn played only one year as the starter and still got his chance in the NFL. Cassel never actually started for USC, he barely played. He was still drafted and had a solid NFL career. If I'm Tua though, I'd really want those two guaranteed years (possibly 3) since it both gives me an out if somehow I don't land the starting job (to transfer elsewhere) and it also gives me a second season to display skills to NFL scouts. One year is just such a narrow window...
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