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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Blake Barnett will be one of the 1st QBs taken. I know people here have their misgivings about him or what have you, but the talent is there, and he'll put up big numbers at Arizona St. Also, Jacob Eason's raw talent will make scouts salivate and overlook his other shortcomings.

    Lamar Jackson has a ways to go. Aside from his shortcomings as a decision-maker in the pocket, he will unfortunately be lumped in with Petrino's other QBs who have not been the best in the league (Brohm & Mallet just to name two).

    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    Let's assume Hurts leave for NFL in 2019:
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...nkings/2019/QB

    Looking at it, Hurts can easily be top 3 QB in that class... I'm not counting Lamar Jackson and few others who could go in 2018....

    He just need solid sophomore year and junior year and he should be able be ranked top 5 qbs.... Especially if he get his degree early.
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    Now, that brings up a question. Let's assume Tua serves as our backup QB during the whole time Hurts is at Alabama. Now, if Hurts stays 4 years and Tua transfer, who do we develop because we lose our experienced QBs. I think it's critical that we both get qbs some experience this year.. and maybe use redshirt later down the road?
    Mac is a good QB. Nowhere near the arm talent as Tua, but he can get us from one spot to the next.
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonForce View Post
    Have you seen some of the QBs projected to be high draft picks this year? If Hurts continues to progress he could be a 1st/2nd round pick. Really depends on the strength of the QB class that year..
    That's very true. But, is that something that would be disclosed to Tua ahead of time? I go back to Tua's family's decision to move all the way to T-Town. Are they really going to sit and watch their kid ride the bench hinging their hopes on the guy ahead of him leaving early for the draft? Or are they going to move all the way to T-Town only to have Tua transfer and the family have to up root and move again? I give Tua's family a little more credit than that. I doubt they make a huge decision like that on a whim.

    I agree with Krazy in that I think this will be handled a lot like the Star Jones/AJ McCarron situation. On paper Star was the "backup". But if the situation presented itself and we had to have the second string guy come in, it would have been AJ. I see this playing out the same. It's rolling the dice. But each scenario is rolling the dice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    That's very true. But, is that something that would be disclosed to Tua ahead of time? I go back to Tua's family's decision to move all the way to T-Town. Are they really going to sit and watch their kid ride the bench hinging their hopes on the guy ahead of him leaving early for the draft? Or are they going to move all the way to T-Town only to have Tua transfer and the family have to up root and move again? I give Tua's family a little more credit than that. I doubt they make a huge decision like that on a whim.

    I agree with Krazy in that I think this will be handled a lot like the Star Jones/AJ McCarron situation. On paper Star was the "backup". But if the situation presented itself and we had to have the second string guy come in, it would have been AJ. I see this playing out the same. It's rolling the dice. But each scenario is rolling the dice.
    I think Tua's family moving might have something to do with Tua's brother. Last I read he was determined to follow Tua to Bama.

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    Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamabuzzard View Post
    That's very true. But, is that something that would be disclosed to Tua ahead of time? I go back to Tua's family's decision to move all the way to T-Town. Are they really going to sit and watch their kid ride the bench hinging their hopes on the guy ahead of him leaving early for the draft? Or are they going to move all the way to T-Town only to have Tua transfer and the family have to up root and move again? I give Tua's family a little more credit than that. I doubt they make a huge decision like that on a whim.

    I agree with Krazy in that I think this will be handled a lot like the Star Jones/AJ McCarron situation. On paper Star was the "backup". But if the situation presented itself and we had to have the second string guy come in, it would have been AJ. I see this playing out the same. It's rolling the dice. But each scenario is rolling the dice.
    Here's a few realistic scenarios where Tua ends up playing sooner than later:

    - Jalen gets injured. Obviously hope this doesn't happen but it's always a possibility
    - Jalen leaves early for the NFL after next year (I would say 50/50 chance as of right now)
    - Jalen really struggles and regresses this year and Tua wins the job outright next summer/fall
    -Jalen struggles passing and we implement a 2 QB system

    Any of those scenarios could happen though some are unlikely. Just showing the other side of the argument that it's not a foregone conclusion Jalen takes every snap for the rest of his eligibility. Now, if he does then that's a decision Tua and his family will have to make down the road. Best case scenario there would be for Tua to graduate and then transfer and have 2 years to start somewhere right away. Doesn't make sense for Tua to transfer as a freshman or sophomore..

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    I terms of Hurts, I think we really don't know yet what his ceiling is. He had an amazing true freshman season, but how much he'll improve from that remains to be seen. He looked good passing downfield at A-Day, and he could improve more in the summer. So, I've never doubted his NFL potential but we'll just have to see, he's not the prototypical type they look for generally though. One thing I will say, one of the surest ways I see for him to regress is if he really does end up in a two QB situation. I've looked around a bit trying to compare stats and development and what not, and an established starter losing his job is one of the ways to derail their progression. It isn't just a matter of impacting their leadership and confidence, but I think just losing some of those first team reps at a point where they need them to develop can send them heading in the wrong direction. I really, really do not want to see this situation devolve into Hurts and Tua fighting for playing time between themselves, it seems to turn out poorly as often as it works out. It's one thing to do that to establish a starter, it's another entirely to do that to an established starter.

    But... the one thing that seems clear as of right now is that Alabama has to have someone to play backup who can maintain an Alabama lead. Tua is that guy, and there's really no other option. So either someone else shows up, or he burns a redshirt and we see how things go from there. I'm just not as enthusiastic as some about that prospect because I much prefer the path of peaceful progression from Hurts to Tua vs. the only one can survive type scenario that their being only one year apart seems to invite.
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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Judging by what I saw Saturday, the 2 guys Bama brought in are better than the 2 that left. As far as Tua starting only one year and then making the NFL, the kid at North Carolina only started one season and could be the top QB taken in this years draft.

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    If Tua is named our back-up QB & doesn't RS, it's the perfect scenario to have a "Two Headed Monster" type offense, tailor two sets of offense that specifically allows each QB to run plays they are best at & most comfortable running..Could y'all imagine the horror show it would become for opposing DC's to prepare their D's for that kinda situation when they play The Tide..

    Even though I didn't agree with Shula on most things or his coaching style as a HC, the one thing I he did that I thought was really good coaching, allowing the back-up QB to come in running the 3rd series every game..We could start out doing something similar to that & increase Tua's snaps as he get more reps on the college level & become more acclimated to the speed of the game until we get to a ratio of snaps per QB Coach Saban is good with..JMO..

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    I've never felt he should redshirt if he was gonna play 2nd string. And I felt he would win that spot at least. Saban probably told him he would have a chance to win the job and that can take a season or more especially if you're behind Hurts. They'll continue to recruit QBs. It seems improbable but what if we get another hot shot next year or so.
    I'm for no redshirt. Let him get what he can this year and compete with Jalen.

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    Quote Originally Posted by CullmanTide View Post
    Judging by what I saw Saturday, the 2 guys Bama brought in are better than the 2 that left. As far as Tua starting only one year and then making the NFL, the kid at North Carolina only started one season and could be the top QB taken in this years draft.
    And Saban just said this after A-Day, 1, 2 and 3 this year being better than last year's QB's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CullmanTide View Post
    Judging by what I saw Saturday, the 2 guys Bama brought in are better than the 2 that left. As far as Tua starting only one year and then making the NFL, the kid at North Carolina only started one season and could be the top QB taken in this years draft.
    I don't think only starting one year would stop him from being drafted early. However, with his height limitations it will be harder for him than Trubisky. Also, most successful QBs in the NFL (if not all) started at least 2 years and many started 3 or 4.

    Quote Originally Posted by TideMan09 View Post
    If Tua is named our back-up QB & doesn't RS, it's the perfect scenario to have a "Two Headed Monster" type offense, tailor two sets of offense that specifically allows each QB to run plays they are best at & most comfortable running..Could y'all imagine the horror show it would become for opposing DC's to prepare their D's for that kinda situation when they play The Tide..

    Even though I didn't agree with Shula on most things or his coaching style as a HC, the one thing I he did that I thought was really good coaching, allowing the back-up QB to come in running the 3rd series every game..We could start out doing something similar to that & increase Tua's snaps as he get more reps on the college level & become more acclimated to the speed of the game until we get to a ratio of snaps per QB Coach Saban is good with..JMO..
    I get the appeal of this but I don't think it would work for a few reasons but the biggest is that Tua is a lefty and Jalen is a righty. It takes an adjustment for WRs to learn to catch balls from lefty QBs and it also changes the blocking scheme. Most offenses are built for righty QBs and while making a switch to a lefty isn't all that hard if he is THE guy it would be very difficult when switching be Tua and Jalen.

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    Re: Should Tua be redshirted?

    IMO Hurts stays the full term, 4 years. Tua either plays in mop up duty or transfers. A question, with 2 elite QBs separated by only 1 year how do we attract another elite QB knowing he rides the pine for at least 2 years. Assuming we can sign another elite QB, does Jones hang around 4 years to hold the clipboard? Lots of potential problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide_HTTR View Post
    I think Tua's family moving might have something to do with Tua's brother. Last I read he was determined to follow Tua to Bama.
    I think they moved to A-Town (Not T-Town, they are in Alabaster) just so he'd have family nearby. Now he can take a quick trip home whenever he wants to without even having to spend the night away from campus.

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