right, because they didn't want their covert racism associated with Spencer's overt racism
What are your thoughts on the Confederate memorials being taken down in NOLA?
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So, your contention is that the "Save the R. E. Lee Statue" group really is racist, but they want to hide that real racism, in order to trick people into retaining the Lee statue on the basis that it is not racist because that somehow forwards the cause of racism?
Just examining your premise here. You realize how silly that sounds, right?
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Since my ancestors, native north Alabamians, fought for the Union, I can't say as I have really strong feelings about it...
(Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln. Vol. 3, Page 145-6)A real said:
(New York Times, December 28, 1860)The same real said:
This argument about different Monuments could go on. Like Lincoln ordered the death of 302 Indian males hung in Minnesota and told them he will get rid of all the Indians in that state. I'm sure they have fuzzy feeling in their heart for the great president with his statue in Washington. Just saying but at the same time they probably are not taught that in school like a lot of other stuff isn't. The winners write the history books.
It's a good thing [sarcasm] that we practically wiped out/exiled to a "reservations" practically all the native Americans.
They have plenty of things to be watered off about.
They have plenty of things to be watered off about.
Not directed at you, but how one stood regarding the union had little to do with one being or not being racist.
Your reference to burning books brought this thought to mind: compare and contrast book burnings with the movement to silence conservative speech on college campuses.
I just find it amazing/laughable/idiotic, etc, that people on here think that only us stupid white southern slave owners were the only ones who wanted to keep slaves and hated black people. It floors me that people think that the north as a whole wanted to free the slaves. I also find it quite laughable that many/most people think that white people are the only peoples who have ever owned slaves and mistreated people.
Let's discuss Sherman and his indescriminant killing and destruction or Malcom X's hate filled rhetoric and we can dig up lots of stuff on Lincoln and how the people up north really felt about "Lincoln's Dirty War". Can we say New York Draft Riots?
People, quit acting like southern white people are the only ones to have ever been bad to black people. And quit acting like we need to remove monuments to our American heritage. We'd have nothing up at all if we took everything down that was offensive to someone.
And, by the way, let's discuss the different African tribes selling Africans who were slaves to these tribes to white people, or is that too much of an inconvenient truth?
Like most people, I don't agree with the owning of another human (regardless of color, etc) but taking away monuments of people who were (for the most part) fighting for the rights of the individual states over that of the federal gvt and not fighting in support of slavery is a slippery slope, and as someone on here said earlier, be careful because later on you may find your side on the Losing End.
Let's discuss Sherman and his indescriminant killing and destruction or Malcom X's hate filled rhetoric and we can dig up lots of stuff on Lincoln and how the people up north really felt about "Lincoln's Dirty War". Can we say New York Draft Riots?
People, quit acting like southern white people are the only ones to have ever been bad to black people. And quit acting like we need to remove monuments to our American heritage. We'd have nothing up at all if we took everything down that was offensive to someone.
And, by the way, let's discuss the different African tribes selling Africans who were slaves to these tribes to white people, or is that too much of an inconvenient truth?
Like most people, I don't agree with the owning of another human (regardless of color, etc) but taking away monuments of people who were (for the most part) fighting for the rights of the individual states over that of the federal gvt and not fighting in support of slavery is a slippery slope, and as someone on here said earlier, be careful because later on you may find your side on the Losing End.
Yes
I know because I used to hang out with those guys back when I was in school. Racist as hell and always supporting stuff like this with a wink. If you hung out with frats boys at Bama you did too
actually, no. I amend this I'll say that some of the "Save the R. E. Lee Statue" group is every bit as racist as Spencer, not all.
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If SPLC told me it was raining, I'd leave my umbrella at home.
Saw a conservative writer note on Twitter this morning that if Spencer and his ilk are all that are willing to defend these monuments, then they ought to be dismantled. I understand the reasoning but those of us who might appreciate them for historical or artistic reasons, or who like myself and Tidewater, understand the Civil War to be a very complex series of decisions, have been labelled as racists and bigots for so long that most decent folk are left to mourn the statue's loss in anonymity while the real racists call the liberal's bluff. No more room for a reasonable middle.
Saw a conservative writer note on Twitter this morning that if Spencer and his ilk are all that are willing to defend these monuments, then they ought to be dismantled. I understand the reasoning but those of us who might appreciate them for historical or artistic reasons, or who like myself and Tidewater, understand the Civil War to be a very complex series of decisions, have been labelled as racists and bigots for so long that most decent folk are left to mourn the statue's loss in anonymity while the real racists call the liberal's bluff. No more room for a reasonable middle.
point taken and I am. But since i've known people to be part of groups like this, I feel like it isn't a stretch
In fact I feel it's far more of a stretch to make the assumption that none of this group is racist
Expecting anything less than propaganda from SPLC is like expecting anything less than propaganda from, well, MSNBC or Fox News. Anything they say even remotely connected with reality does so only by accident.
Does anybody truly believe the south would have still seceded if there was no slavery issue? I'm not trying to say there weren't other contributing factors but slavery was the elephant in the room.
I don't think they would have seceded, but that's just me. I'm also not sure even if the South had won the Civil War that slavery would've continued to this day. If it weren't for Eli Whitney and the cotton gin, I believe that slavery may have died out as the economic driver in the South; it was on a downturn before cotton gin was invented. By the time the Civil War started, Southern agriculture (primarily cotton) was on a downturn as the yields was not increasing. Landowners were moving to new land west of the Deep South to keep up their cotton production due to Deep South land being agriculturally exhausted. Well, eventually, they would've reached deserts, and I'm not sure they would've figured out how to grow cotton in the desert. I believe slavery would've died out eventually due to those factors.
This is very true. The same GGF who belonged to The Union League also owned eight slaves. The Confederate State of Alabama confiscated them too. I was just pointing out why I had no feelings pro or con. Another GGF fought in the 1st Alabama, Union, Sherman's personal bodyguard (gasp!) I'll hasten to add that I consider Sherman a war criminal...
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