Clearly Julian Carr was a racist and just as clearly, the monument is there because 1800 UNC students and alumni answered the call of North Carolina when her people voted to leave the Union and the Federal government employed force to stop them.
What are your thoughts on the Confederate memorials being taken down in NOLA?
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I will be glad when CSA no longer can be viewed outside of museums. Still, I don't agree with violence and anarchy. Things are becoming like a lawless nation. There's a certain way to go about things.
I look at a Confederate soldier monument and I see brave defenders of self-government and constitutional liberty. Men who fought because their state asked them to. Most did not own slaves, but their states tolerated the institution. Others see other things.
When I see a soldiers monument for Union veterans (and I did this summer in my trek across Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Massachusetts), I see men who (mostly) fought bravely, but also violated the Constitution and suppressed representative democracy. I do know that nobody in the northern communities where they exist see them that way, nor did anyone who erected those monuments do so to celebrate crushing the Constitution and representative democracy, so I give them the benefit of the doubt. I wish southerners got the same generosity.
I try to see your point but I just don’t. You (not your personally) tolerate slavery, uphold it, like it, etc. I can never side with that. Good ole Dixiecrats. I use to think it was all about States’ rights, but it was so much more than that.
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So you think people who didn't own slaves stopped their lives and went and fought in arguably one of the most brutal wars in history so people they probably didn't even know could own slaves? That's a stretch.
I feel your pain TW.
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Tar Heel is a nickname applied to the U.S. state of North Carolina and its inhabitants. ... One such legend claims it to be a nickname given during the U.S. Civil War, because of the state's importance on the Confederate side, and the fact that the troops "stuck to their ranks like they had tar on their heels".Why aren't these students asking for UNC to change the name "Tar Heel".
that is the entire issue with the whole "its about State's rights" argument
sure it was it was about States Rights to own Slaves
Maybe not, but they were willing to fight for that right though.
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So you're willing to fight for somebody else's right to own a Lamborghini? So what are the chances you'll ever own one?
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Yah - the right to own a car and the right to own a human being are absolutely the same. Apples to apples really. I've seen the light.
Even people not owning slaves understood the economic importance of maintaining that institution for the southern states. It was like an octopus. It touched every industry and made a difference in the lives of all. Not every Rebel soldier was a racist. Not every Union soldier was a saint. But the overarching tenets and goals of one particular side sought not only to rebel against the union - making them traitors - but also to preserve an institution that kept over human being in literal chains and at the mercy of their master.
You know, what, let's toss out the slavery angle for a second. I'm not inclined to erect statues to failed traitors. Toss in slavery and it's really a no-brainer.
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I appreciate your view and agree overall with the sentiment expressed. I do believe however your assumption that poor un-landed whites in the south in 1850 had any understanding of the economic system built around slavery. As a social caste they, poor whites, clung only one rung above the slaves. One can see in practice today that fear of falling down the social ladder the fear of non-whites and the concept of states rights for that matter is deployed so effectively from a political standpoint.
There is a fairly elaborate psychology involved in inducing a populace to fight for the aims of the wealthy. It has endured throughout history.
So, you look at humans as property? Hmm..[emoji848]Tell me more about that.
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Given the amount of money it took to have slaves during that time period I would imagine it would be about the same as owning a Lamborghini now.
And yes, during that time period other humans, not just Africans, were owned by other humans.
Still haven't answered the question: would you fight for somebody else's right to keep and maintain other humans against their will?
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