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    Quote Originally Posted by bodiddle View Post
    We won't have a significant drop-off.
    By significant I meant relatively significant. Meaning, we allowed somewhere around 2 yds/carry the last 2 years but for a couple years we were allowing about 3 yds/carry. For sacks, I wouldn't expect them to draft to pre 2015 levels where we barley had 30 sacks a lot of years but I would expect a drop off from the 50 or so we have averaged the past 2 years. If either of these do drop off I would expect the pass rush to. Payne and our ILBs should be able to continue our success vs the run but pass rush seems like a much bigger question mark.

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    Re: Let's Talk about 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide_HTTR View Post
    By significant I meant relatively significant. Meaning, we allowed somewhere around 2 yds/carry the last 2 years but for a couple years we were allowing about 3 yds/carry. For sacks, I wouldn't expect them to draft to pre 2015 levels where we barley had 30 sacks a lot of years but I would expect a drop off from the 50 or so we have averaged the past 2 years. If either of these do drop off I would expect the pass rush to. Payne and our ILBs should be able to continue our success vs the run but pass rush seems like a much bigger question mark.
    I agree that it is possible we have a drop off in sacks but we have some great edge guys like Hall, Jennings, Millier and Evans and Raekwon Davis and Payne will give us a good inside push. Plus we know Pruitt is more aggressive and brings the blitz a lot. I can see 50+ sacks again this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiderJ View Post
    I agree that it is possible we have a drop off in sacks but we have some great edge guys like Hall, Jennings, Millier and Evans and Raekwon Davis and Payne will give us a good inside push. Plus we know Pruitt is more aggressive and brings the blitz a lot. I can see 50+ sacks again this year.
    Yea, it's absolutely possible there isn't a drop off, but we don't really know what those guys are yet. Evans and Miller we have seen a decent amount of but the rest haven't played enough real snaps yet. I don't doubt the talent we have at all I just doubt the ability to replace 36 sacks from 5 guys who were all drafted in the 1st 2 rounds. That's a lot of production to replace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide_HTTR View Post
    Yea, it's absolutely possible there isn't a drop off, but we don't really know what those guys are yet. Evans and Miller we have seen a decent amount of but the rest haven't played enough real snaps yet. I don't doubt the talent we have at all I just doubt the ability to replace 36 sacks from 5 guys who were all drafted in the 1st 2 rounds. That's a lot of production to replace.

    I think it's a valid concern. Think about it another way, EVERY player in our dime front where we got a vast majority of our sacks was drafted in the first two rounds, and same is almost true for our light nickel grouping, but SDH is back next year. Can Buggs/Hand/King step up to replace Allen? Will Davis be the under the radar but very productive Tomlinson? Maybe; we just haven't seen enough of them on the field to know yet. Of those who have been around longer, can Smith/Dwight/Frazier take a step forward enough to give us more that two (Payne and Davis) bigger guys in the rotation?

  6. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtgilbert View Post
    I think it's a valid concern. Think about it another way, EVERY player in our dime front where we got a vast majority of our sacks was drafted in the first two rounds, and same is almost true for our light nickel grouping, but SDH is back next year. Can Buggs/Hand/King step up to replace Allen? Will Davis be the under the radar but very productive Tomlinson? Maybe; we just haven't seen enough of them on the field to know yet. Of those who have been around longer, can Smith/Dwight/Frazier take a step forward enough to give us more that two (Payne and Davis) bigger guys in the rotation?
    Exactly, we really just don't know what these guys are capable of. We know they are talented but talent only takes you so far. And in this case they need to replace arguably the 3 best pass rushers we have ever had under Saban (Allen, Anderson, & Williams).

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    Every players are different. Remember it's not about how you get sacks, it's how you affect the players on offense. If you can force Qbs to make hasty decisions on almost every snap, then you have done your job as a defense. Players will take care of business the usual way, so I wouldn't be too concerned about 50 sacks. We want to generate some pressures, get some NOTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    Every players are different. Remember it's not about how you get sacks, it's how you affect the players on offense. If you can force Qbs to make hasty decisions on almost every snap, then you have done your job as a defense. Players will take care of business the usual way, so I wouldn't be too concerned about 50 sacks. We want to generate some pressures, get some NOTs.
    While we had a great year under Smart in 2015, as far as sacks go, I do think the scheme was tweaked even more last year under Pruitt and I expect that to continue. We were more aggressive on D than we usually have been under Coach Saban. I agree, a lot of it is the talent you've got and what they can do and we've had some great pass rushers over the past 2 years. Still, I think there's some pass rushing ability returning, and the scheme is going to give them an opportunity to show it.

    Maybe we don't approach 50 sacks again, but I think we'll get close and we'll also "affect" the QB.

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    I suspect we see more OLBs playing in DE-like roles this year just because of the numbers unless some of the younger guys really impress right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTR91 View Post
    I suspect we see more OLBs playing in DE-like roles this year just because of the numbers unless some of the younger guys really impress right away.
    I could see that also. for the last few years our primary nickel front has been three DL with an OLB playing like a DE and then sometimes playing with 2 DL and 2 OLBs so we might see that balance shift to the second grouping, especially Jennings is pretty darn big anyway.

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    Re: Let's Talk about 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    Every players are different. Remember it's not about how you get sacks, it's how you affect the players on offense. If you can force Qbs to make hasty decisions on almost every snap, then you have done your job as a defense. Players will take care of business the usual way, so I wouldn't be too concerned about 50 sacks. We want to generate some pressures, get some NOTs.
    I don't see us getting close to the number of NOTs we got last year on defense, that group was special and had a chemistry about it. I think this group will be very good and we will have our favorites from another talented team and successful season but I think we will be fine with our offense. I also think our defense not scoring on a turnover if our offense can score or improve field position can sometimes be more productive than a NOT. Did I just say that, scratch my head but yeah I think I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustNeedMe81 View Post
    Every players are different. Remember it's not about how you get sacks, it's how you affect the players on offense. If you can force Qbs to make hasty decisions on almost every snap, then you have done your job as a defense. Players will take care of business the usual way, so I wouldn't be too concerned about 50 sacks. We want to generate some pressures, get some NOTs.
    Very true. However, Saban at times underrates the value of sacks vs pressures IMO. Sacks are negative plays and help get in the QBs head.

    Quote Originally Posted by peariver View Post
    I don't see us getting close to the number of NOTs we got last year on defense, that group was special and had a chemistry about it. I think this group will be very good and we will have our favorites from another talented team and successful season but I think we will be fine with our offense. I also think our defense not scoring on a turnover if our offense can score or improve field position can sometimes be more productive than a NOT. Did I just say that, scratch my head but yeah I think I did.
    Agreed. NOTs are also a lot of luck. A lot of things have to go correctly (just look at the NCG). Our NOTs also seemed to drop considerably after Eddie got hurt and now he is gone. Minkah will probably get a couple pick 6s (I hope he breaks the record) but I don't think he provides the same scoring instinct that Eddie has.

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    Re: Let's Talk about 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by peariver View Post
    I don't see us getting close to the number of NOTs we got last year on defense, that group was special and had a chemistry about it. I think this group will be very good and we will have our favorites from another talented team and successful season but I think we will be fine with our offense. I also think our defense not scoring on a turnover if our offense can score or improve field position can sometimes be more productive than a NOT. Did I just say that, scratch my head but yeah I think I did.
    Maybe we can have a turnover belt?
    I agree sometimes it's better to let the offense score so the defense gets a rest, but NOTs are so exciting for us, and demoralizing for the other team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peariver View Post
    I don't see us getting close to the number of NOTs we got last year on defense, that group was special and had a chemistry about it. I think this group will be very good and we will have our favorites from another talented team and successful season but I think we will be fine with our offense. I also think our defense not scoring on a turnover if our offense can score or improve field position can sometimes be more productive than a NOT. Did I just say that, scratch my head but yeah I think I did.
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