Senate Healthcare Bill Released (zombied for now)

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It's unclear to me whether a straight repeal would abide by reconciliation rules.
Lyin' Ryan is on record as saying 80-90% of it can be repealed, under reconciliation.

Doesn't mean he believed it, or has the guts to try it, knowing it will be signed.
 

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CBO: Obamacare repeal bill would raise number of uninsured by 32 million by 2026

The CBO's new report projected that average premiums in the individual health insurance market would rise by about 25 percent relative to the current Obamacare law next year.

That increase "would reach about 50 percent in 2020, and premiums would about double by 2026," the CBO report found. Those premium hikes would occur in the "non-group market," or the private insurance market that serves people who do not get insurance through an employers.

And CBO said that "about half of the nation's population would live in areas having no insurer participating in the nongroup market in 2020 because of downward pressure on enrollment and upward pressure on premiums."

"That share would continue to increase, extending to about three-quarters of the population by 2026," the report said.
 

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McConnell is delaying the GOP's healthcare vote because McCain was in the hospital being emergently treated for a blood clot in his eye. Once he's back, they can vote to eliminate the ability for millions of Americans to undergo the same blindness-preventing surgery.

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As follow-up, we just learned that McCain has been diagnosed with a type of brain cancer called glioblastoma. Unfortunately, it has a particularly bad prognosis.
 

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As follow-up, we just learned that McCain has been diagnosed with a type of brain cancer called glioblastoma. Unfortunately, it has a particularly bad prognosis.
crap. hate hearing that. i dodged the brain tumor bullet a couple of years back and got a benign one.
 

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The Graham-Cassidy bill is looking more and more likely to pass.

Not because it's a good bill in the eyes of the American public -- it allows insurers to skyrocket your premiums the moment you get sick, removes the requirement to cover basic services like ED visits, prescription drugs, and birth control, and it turns federal payments into a block-grant for states that don't actually have to be used for health insurance provisioning. Instead, it looks more likely to pass because it kicks more money to the states of GOP Senators that opposed previous repeal attempts. CBO has said they will not have time to score the bill, but it's expected to result in the loss of coverage for millions.

There is yet another partisan effort to repeal the ACA, led by Republican senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Dean Heller of Nevada. Though it is out of touch with public sentiment, their proposal has one new thing its sponsors are hoping will make a difference — financial payoffs to the states of senators whose votes they are courting.

The first draft of Graham-Cassidy-Heller looks like the same repeal-and-replace plans Americans soundly rejected in poll after poll. It would end both Medicaid for people slightly above the poverty line and tax credits for people buying coverage in the individual market, replacing both with a capped block grant that would gradually shrink until it disappeared altogether. The plan also makes deep cuts to Medicaid, weakens federal protections for people with preexisting conditions, and introduces Medicaid caps which limit the spending on low-income kids, seniors and people with disabilities.

But it’s not Graham-Cassidy-Heller’s unpopular policies that are expected to make a repeal effort successful. The secret weapon is a cynical redistribution of federal money from mostly urban, blue states that have expanded Medicaid to rural, red states that did not.

An analysis from the Center on Budget Policy Priorities of an early version of the bill estimates what this will mean for states. Nine states would see their funding cut by 50% or more compared to what their Medicaid expansion and exchange subsidies would otherwise be. These states include expected conservative targets like New York, California, New Jersey and Massachusetts, but also North Carolina, Florida and Virginia.

Yet somehow Maine, Alaska, Nevada and West Virginia are almost entirely protected from these cuts in the early years (although every state would be hard hit in the long run or in the event of a recession or public health emergency like Hurricane Harvey.) What do those states have in common? Each has Republican senators who either voted against or strongly considered voting against the last Senate repeal bill.

The repeal effort doesn’t seek to solve the problem of covering more people or making health care more affordable for American families. If assessed by the Congressional Budget Office, it will surely show many millions losing coverage and higher costs for millions more. Instead they are dividing the country into winners and losers (or losers and bigger losers) to achieve a more straightforward goal — finding the 50 Republican votes that, along with Vice President Pence as the tiebreaker, will give them a Senate win.
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92tide

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The Graham-Cassidy bill is looking more and more likely to pass.

Not because it's a good bill in the eyes of the American public -- it allows insurers to skyrocket your premiums the moment you get sick, removes the requirement to cover basic services like ED visits, prescription drugs, and birth control, and it turns federal payments into a block-grant for states that don't actually have to be used for health insurance provisioning. Instead, it looks more likely to pass because it kicks more money to the states of GOP Senators that opposed previous repeal attempts. CBO has said they will not have time to score the bill, but it's expected to result in the loss of coverage for millions.



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its like these jerk offs wake up every morning and ask themselves "how can i be a bigger a-hole today"
 

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If they let the state's start managing the healthcare system using block grants then I'm leaving Alabama. One thing I am certain of based upon our history is our state legislature would ruin it.
 

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Preexisting inclusion benefits Republicans and Democrats. Not sure how anyone can get reelected if they remove that. Amazingly the majority of the country don't want ObamaCare repealed now. I think a lot of Republicans and Democrats alike enjoy keeping their children on their insurance till they are 25. Some hard liners would probably say they don't like it but its more about who pushed it through.
 

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If they let the state's start managing the healthcare system using block grants then I'm leaving Alabama. One thing I am certain of based upon our history is our state legislature would ruin it.
It would give them an enormous bag of pork to plunder - and they would...
 

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If they let the state's start managing the healthcare system using block grants then I'm leaving Alabama. One thing I am certain of based upon our history is our state legislature would ruin it.
Do you buy individual coverage through the exchange today, or do you buy employer-sponsored health insurance?
 

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Here's a column to counterpoint the current hysteria:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/20/latest-gop-health-care-plan-best-one-yet/

Progressives don’t like the idea of health-care federalism in part because they think health care should be treated like a public utility. That is, bringing costs down for consumers is not a high priority, so the potential benefits of health-care federalism—lower premiums and out-of-pocket costs for residents of states that adopt smart policies that drive costs down—don’t much appeal to them. What’s more, having wildly different health-care systems between states makes their goal of creating a European-style single-payer system much more difficult.
 
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When Jimmy Kimmel pointed out Cassidy had lied about what his proposal would do, the right wing media went into overdrive fussing because he was calling out this blatant hypocrisy. Kimmel's not an expert, what does he know?

Kimmel's response was brilliant...he pointed out that he wasn't an expert but here was a list of associations and groups who are experts, and they all oppose this abomination. Here's a partial list of the experts who understand how destructive the bill is:

http://www.businessinsider.com/graham-cassidy-bill-doctors-insurance-groups-2017-9

The American College of Physicians, which represents 148,000 internal medicine physicians and medical students, had similar concerns that the bill wouldn't live up to the "first, do no harm" principle.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, which represents 66,000 pediatricians, has been critical of the Republican plans to reform healthcare, including the Graham-Cassidy bill.

"This bill may be disguised under a different name, but it contains the same dangerous policies as the legislation that failed to advance out of the Senate earlier this summer. In fact, Graham-Cassidy goes even further in its attacks on Medicaid," Dr. Fernando Stein, president of the AAP, said in a statement.

The bill would take away funding from Medicaid as it is today, and after 2026, funding for Medicaid under the expansion program set up by the Affordable Care Act would be cut completely.

Sixteen patient groups — including the JDRF, ALS Association, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Arthritis Foundation, Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Family Voices, JDRF, Lutheran Services in America, March of Dimes, National Health Council, National Multiple Sclerosis Society, National Organization for Rare Diseases, Volunteers of America, and WomenHeart — came out with a joint statement against the new bill, pointing to how it would deal with access to affordable healthcare for those with preexisting conditions.

"Affordable, adequate care is vital to the patients we represent. This legislation fails to provide Americans with what they need to maintain their health," the groups said in a statement. "In fact, much of the proposal just repackages the problematic provisions of the Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA), which we opposed."

The American Hospital Association, which represents thousands of hospitals and health systems, wasn't on board with the cuts to coverage that could happen under the bill.

"We believe that coverage could be at risk for tens of millions of Americans under the Graham-Cassidy proposal. We continue to urge senators to work in a bipartisan manner to address the challenges facing our health care system," AHA President Richard Pollack said in a statement.

America's Health Insurance Plans, the group that represents health insurers, also came out against the bill, saying the plan didn't meet the principles the group laid out in a letter.

"While we cannot support this proposal, we will keep working to find the right solutions that reflect the commitment we all share: affordable coverage and high-quality care for every American," CEO Marilyn Tavenner said.
 

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The hysteria will die down over the course of the next couple of years as we begrudgingly accept it because we know the politicians won't make any massive changes.

Socialism creeps onward.
 

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If they stood by their principles, they would repeal EMTLA as well as Obamacare.
I've been saying this forever. You can't legislate morality. Republicans believe that good responsible citizens will take care of their own health care because its "the right thing to do" but EMTALA essentially makes it so that there is absolutely zero negatives should you not have health care. Maaaybe long term cancer care and the like, but with this new bill, you will be priced out of the ability to maintain insurance once you get cancer so its back to the ER for you whenever you have a health scare as a result.
 

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When Jimmy Kimmel pointed out Cassidy had lied about what his proposal would do, the right wing media went into overdrive fussing because he was calling out this blatant hypocrisy. Kimmel's not an expert, what does he know?

Kimmel's response was brilliant...he pointed out that he wasn't an expert but here was a list of associations and groups who are experts, and they all oppose this abomination. Here's a partial list of the experts who understand how destructive the bill is:

http://www.businessinsider.com/graham-cassidy-bill-doctors-insurance-groups-2017-9
not to worry, the magic of the invisible fist will cure all that ails us
 

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Kimmel's not an expert, what does he know?
Exactly. Why not just entertain?

Plus, all sides have "experts". Call on some of the "experts" from the other side. Or just entertain.
 

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Exactly. Why not just entertain?

Plus, all sides have "experts". Call on some of the "experts" from the other side. Or just entertain.
he did call on one of the "experts" from the other side, bill cassidy. that is what led to his speaking out again.
 

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